# Who buys Bush's thoughts? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 6, 2003, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307 "2003-08-06T11:37:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/21 "2003-08-06T18:18:56Z")
I would think it’s obvious: Ted Bundy for President! Oh, wait. He’s dead. Ed Bundy for President! ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/22 "2003-08-06T18:29:50Z")
Al Bundy for President! ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/23 "2003-08-06T18:36:19Z")
AL BUNDY!! When the terrorists strike, at least we’ll die laughing! ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/24 "2003-08-06T18:42:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CarnalK \* > Well anyone with two brain cells to rub together already thought that the “Terrorists hate freedom” motive was facile. Absolutely. As Norm McDonald used to say on _Weekend Update_ - Another fascinating story from the pages of the magazine “Duh!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/25 "2003-08-06T19:11:09Z")
Screw that. King Kong Bundy for President! He’ll do that leg drop off the top rope thing all over those evildoers in the masks. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/26 "2003-08-06T20:41:54Z")
_–Cervaise scurries around the thread handing out tinfoil to the participants–_ ---
**Author:** ![Wolfe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Wolfe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfe)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/27 "2003-08-06T22:50:58Z")
Dear Dopers (no pun), The point, as I see it, is that if the statement is all so naked to even the eye of a two brain cell Joe then how come president even thought about making it? Shouldn’t he be saying something that _vastly_ makes sense to people? To me something like that coming from the most of the most official person of US is an insult to people’s intelligence. What made him think that it’d be acceptable to people? Even more and so, how can he continue to make it (read motives behind Iraq war and popular support behind it)? BTW, what’s OP? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/28 "2003-08-06T23:01:56Z")
This my friends, is your brain on drugs. That or the rantings of a calm lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Wolfe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfe)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/29 "2003-08-06T23:26:19Z")
Trust me when I say this, when you’re in other shoes (non-American) then you do wonder about such balatant statments and take them more seriously than perhaps the Americans. You do also wonder, how the heck Americans look at that and how can they allow it while claiming to be the most educated and democracy-propagating nation on earth? So they end up assuming that Americans are hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/30 "2003-08-06T23:44:32Z")
**Wolf- …how come president even thought about making it?** Because it brings up fewer ugly questions than the complicated truth. \*\*Shouldn’t he be saying something that vastly makes sense to people? \*\* This gives people something simple to fear/rally against. I guess some brainiacs can go read a book or something. 🙂 **To me something like that coming from the most of the most official person of US is an insult to people’s intelligence. What made him think that it’d be acceptable to people?** Because he said it when people were blinded by grief and rage. \*\* Even more and so, how can he continue to make it (read motives behind Iraq war and popular support behind it)?\*\* He would really not like to get into the messy details. As you can see coming up with real motives/evidence is not this admin’s forte. OP= Original Post (or sometimes Poster) ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/31 "2003-08-07T17:14:23Z")
I really thought that that OP would have a point for some reason. > [@](#): > > Trust me when I say this, when you’re in other shoes (non-American) then you do wonder about such balatant statments and take them more seriously than perhaps the Americans. You do also wonder, how the heck Americans look at that and how can they allow it while claiming to be the most educated and democracy-propagating nation on earth? So they end up assuming that Americans are hypocrites. So, what’s your point exactly? You think Americans are stupid? Bah! You probably just hate democracy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/32 "2003-08-07T17:30:12Z")
Wolfe: If you’ve never heard a US president, or political leader of another country, spout emotional comments that don’t stand up to reason, then you have lived a very sheltered life indeed. It happens everyday, all the time. Most of us just tune it out. ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/33 "2003-08-07T17:56:37Z")
I believe that the OP was comparing popular serial killers and mass murderers to Bush, but then complimenting the 9/11 terrorists for their strong convictions in flying airliners into skyscrapers. But, they actually liked America. That’s why they did it. rabble rabble rabble…Bush is Evil Incarnate…blah blah blah. I know the OP had a point, since he is a self-proclaimed expert. His point was that we should try to understand their motives, that would protect the American way of life. “This is what he said: ‘The terrorists are people who fear freedom and liberty and want to destroy the American way of life’. And thus, ‘we will hunt them down and punish them’” What is so wrong with this statement? Is self preservation so bad? ---
**Author:** ![Chicago\_Faucet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chicago_faucet/32/13910_2.png) [@Chicago\_Faucet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicago_Faucet)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/34 "2003-08-07T18:18:29Z")
I always chuckle at the conspiracy theories about Bush knowing about the 9/11 attacks, as the OP implied to in the opening breath. It appears that the ends do not justify the means in the current war on terror, but that same mentality justifies the means when talking about Pearl Harbor, when there was a Democrat president. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/35 "2003-08-07T18:28:53Z")
The OP fully satisfies my curiousity about Grandpa Simpson’s take on 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/36 "2003-08-07T18:40:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chicago Faucet \* > \*\* > I believe that the OP was comparing popular serial killers and mass murderers to Bush, but then complimenting the 9/11 terrorists for their strong convictions in flying airliners into skyscrapers. But, they actually liked America. That’s why they did it. > \*\* It compared serial killers to the 9/11 hijakcers. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chicago Faucet \* > \*\* > “This is what he said: ‘The terrorists are people who fear freedom and liberty and want to destroy the American way of life’. And thus, ‘we will hunt them down and punish them’” > > What is so wrong with this statement? \*\* What’s wrong with the statement is the point of the OP. The reason, “[the] fear [of] freedom and liberty and [the desire] to destroy the American way of life,” that Bush gave is implausible and over simplified at best. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chicago Faucet \* > \*\* > Is self preservation so bad? > \*\* Self preservation _can_ be very bad. Especially if you’re Ted Bundy. (Or someone _I’m_ trying to kill. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/37 "2003-08-07T18:42:02Z")
Actually **Bob** , it’s too bad you and me posted. The OP and **Chicago Faucet** ’s posts would have made perfect incomprehensible bookends to this thread. I guess I’m an artist at heart. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/38 "2003-08-07T18:42:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > \*\*Wolfe: If you’ve never heard a US president, or political leader of another country, spout emotional comments that don’t stand up to reason, then you have lived a very sheltered life indeed. It happens everyday, all the time. Most of us just tune it out. \*\* I agree w/ him. Maybe I just have vastly lowered expectations of politicans. Is that bad? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/39 "2003-08-07T18:49:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BobLibDem \* > \*\*The OP fully satisfies my curiousity about Grandpa Simpson’s take on 9/11. \*\* One-liner of the week! 😃 Daniel ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307/40 "2003-08-07T18:52:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Well anyone with two brain cells to rub together already thought that the “Terrorists hate freedom” motive was facile. Are you saying this opinion is news to you? Because there really isn’t much else to the email. What do you think all that “don’t blame the victim” vs “look at our foreign policy” arguing was about after 9/11? Given their religious-political association with radical islamic paramiliotary groups, it is not an incorrect statment to say they despise American freedom. Quite correctly, Bush identified one of the roots of the symbol of American culture, which they feel is an invasive force in their own. By denying American freedom, they gain breathing room for their own authortarian regimes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-buys-bushs-thoughts/193307.md?page=3)