# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/221 "2017-10-15T15:57:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There _was_ serious deceleration. Extremely serious deceleration.Who said there wasn’t? Have you ever been in an automobile and have had to make a “panic stop” from highway speed? What happens to all the stuff in the car, anything loose shifts, right,(?) so this is in the case of something happening that is \<3 g now in the case of the airliner, it can be shown that the deceleration force would have had to be \>45 g, and at that magnitude the aircraft itself would break apart from the forces imposed. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/222 "2017-10-15T16:00:37Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Please think about this, if there was sufficient time to breach the wall, there was sufficient time to do serious damage to the airliner. > . What does this even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/223 "2017-10-15T16:00:55Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > If I fire an Apple at you at 550 mph along with an Orange at the same speed you probably not going to notice a huge diffference. also it has been stated that firing a marshmallow at steel plate at sufficient speed would make it penetrate said steel plate, and I would like to see experimental confirmation of that ( what none is available … oh my … ) and really is all of the fluff postings in this thread simply an avoidance technique so you don’t have to actually look at the fact that the media reports on what happened that day are totally fraudulent (?) what? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/224 "2017-10-15T16:01:52Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Have you ever been in an automobile and have had to make a “panic stop” from highway speed? What happens to all the stuff in the car, anything loose shifts, right,(?) > so this is in the case of something happening that is \<3 g > now in the case of the airliner, it can be shown that the deceleration force would have had to be \>45 g, and at that magnitude the aircraft itself would break apart from the forces imposed. It kind of did. But at the same time it delviered much of its kinetic energy to the building, WHy is this hard to understand? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/225 "2017-10-15T16:02:09Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > " plane should have disintegrated on impact, and in the tenths of seconds between the time the nose of the plane touched the building and when the wings reached the building, the plane should have splintered instead of breaching the wall" > > Please think about this, if there was sufficient time to breach the wall, there was sufficient time to do serious damage to the airliner. No, what are _YOU_ talking about? The entire plane was moving at X mph. Not just the front tip of the plane. Not just the part of the plane that first made contact. The ENTIRE AIRPLANE, FFS. > [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Also may I suggest you read what the late Dr. Carl Sagan had to say about the big bamboozle … interesting stuff. I believe you’ve missed my earlier introduction of Irony to you, Mr. Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/226 "2017-10-15T16:03:10Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Ping Pong balls do not have wings and are not 178 ft long > some things are like the “apples/oranges” comparison … It does show that a fragile object, when moving fast enough, can punch through a strong material. Notice the impact even snapped the paddle off the handle. Or did you bother to watch? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/227 "2017-10-15T16:04:54Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > If I fire an Apple at you at 550 mph along with an Orange at the same speed you probably not going to notice a huge diffference. I’m sure a Mac will hit harder than the Orange. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/228 "2017-10-15T16:05:41Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > also it has been stated that firing a marshmallow at steel plate at sufficient speed would make it penetrate said steel plate, and I would like to see experimental confirmation of that ( what none is available … oh my … ) First, take a look for some videos of high velocity water being used to cut still. Then realize that that beyond certain speeds it really doesn’t matter what the oject at super high velocity is made of, it is going to go through > [@](#): > > and really is all of the fluff postings in this thread simply an avoidance technique > so you don’t have to actually look at the fact that the media reports on what happened that day are totally fraudulent (?) > > what? You started a thread about the **physics of 9/11** and now want to whine about the media. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/229 "2017-10-15T16:06:01Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > …at that magnitude the aircraft itself would break apart from the forces imposed. So what? It still goes through the wall. Did you see in the video of the ping-pong ball that it broke apart? Did you see that it went straight through the bat and left a nice ping-pong ball shaped hole anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/230 "2017-10-15T16:06:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No wall, glass. Fragile stuff that is. > Nice job linking to [the Sagan quote.](http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/12/19/carl-sagans-two-warnings-for-humanity-in-his-very-last-interview-you-might-want-to-hear-this/) > > So which way is the bamboozle going? > > [Arthur C. Clarke](https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/arthurccl101182.html)-“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” > We do not have sufficiently advanced technology to fake something like this. > And if you’re going to claim we do, you have to come up with physical evidence, not people speaking on Youtube. The damning evidence is in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, given that the airliner would have to undergo very serious deceleration upon impact with the wall ( \>45 g ) the airliner could not possibly be expected to keep its shape as it progressed, and therefore is bogus, a broken up aircraft doesn’t leave a wing shaped gash as was alleged to have been made by airliners in the sides of WTC 1 & 2 . ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/231 "2017-10-15T16:06:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’m sure a Mac will hit harder than the Orange. > 😃 /_fires high velocity orange cannon at running coach_ ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/232 "2017-10-15T16:07:08Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > So what? It still goes through the wall. Did you see in the video of the ping-pong ball that it broke apart? Did you see that it went straight through the bat and left a nice ping-pong ball shaped hole anyway? Ping Pong balls do not have wings … I rest my case … ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/233 "2017-10-15T16:07:47Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > The damning evidence is in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, given that the airliner would have to undergo very serious deceleration upon impact with the wall ( \>45 g ) the airliner could not possibly be expected to keep its shape as it progressed, and therefore is bogus, a broken up aircraft doesn’t leave a wing shaped gash as was alleged to have been made by airliners in the sides of WTC 1 & 2 . Still no math huh? I’m becoming less shocked, but no less disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/234 "2017-10-15T16:08:50Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > The damning evidence is in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, given that the airliner would have to undergo very serious deceleration upon impact with the wall ( \>45 g ) the airliner could not possibly be expected to keep its shape as it progressed, and therefore is bogus, a broken up aircraft doesn’t leave a wing shaped gash as was alleged to have been made by airliners in the sides of WTC 1 & 2 . OK, let me see if I understand the nonsense you are complaining about. Your complaint is: The hole in the building is too close to being plane-shaped for your comfort. Is that correct? Am I on the right track here? Otherwise get to the point, please. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/235 "2017-10-15T16:10:12Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Ping Pong balls do not have wings … Fishes are not wishes, so what? > [@](#): > > I rest my case … The jury would find you guilty and give your the death penalty for a parking ticket if this is how you rest cases. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/236 "2017-10-15T16:10:19Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > First, take a look for some videos of high velocity water being used to cut still. > > Then realize that that beyond certain speeds it really doesn’t matter what the oject at super high velocity is made of, it is going to go through > > You started a thread about the **physics of 9/11** and now want to whine about the media. Gotcha. The water cutting of metal as an industrial process requires a water jet nozzle to be placed very close to the metal to be cut and the whole thing requires a special set-up that does in no way resemble the conditions encountered in an airliner crash ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/237 "2017-10-15T16:11:14Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Ping Pong balls do not have wings … > > I rest my case … Are you _fucking_ kidding? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/238 "2017-10-15T16:11:36Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Fishes are not wishes, so what? > > The jury would find you guilty and give your the death penalty for a parking ticket if this is how you rest cases. so in other words, you really do NOT want to actually address issues here you are only on this forum to increase the noise level … .right? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/239 "2017-10-15T16:12:22Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > The damning evidence is in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, given that the airliner would have to undergo very serious deceleration upon impact with the wall ( \>45 g ) the airliner could not possibly be expected to keep its shape as it progressed, and therefore is bogus, a broken up aircraft doesn’t leave a wing shaped gash as was alleged to have been made by airliners in the sides of WTC 1 & 2 . I see now. You must be citing from the Wile E Coyote Super Genius School of Cartoon Physics. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/240 "2017-10-15T16:13:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Are you _fucking_ kidding? No…No…No… He _rests his case_. Discussion over. J\_J is the official winner of the internet today. Sorry, coach. Better luck next time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=13)