# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Call_Me.Tim)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/21 "2017-10-14T23:58:25Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think it’s obvious; the building was constructed with the explosives already in place. As said upthread, they have been planning this for a long time. The OP clearly stated that the whole thing violated the laws of physics, and your explanation is way too pedestrian for that. Considering he’s referring to them as alleged airliners, I’m wondering what he thinks they really were- Alien spacecraft? Extradimensional beings? Angels? Very large flying unicorns? The disinterred corpses of Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/22 "2017-10-15T00:02:25Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think it’s obvious; the building was constructed with the explosives already in place. As said upthread, they have been planning this for a long time. The building’s superstructures were laced with mento, the planes’s fuel tanks filled mostly with Coke. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/23 "2017-10-15T00:54:58Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > The building’s superstructures were laced with mento, the planes’s fuel tanks filled mostly with Coke. Diet Coke ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/24 "2017-10-15T01:52:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The Bushes had an unknown son who was sent to Florida … Would that be the man called “Jeb??!?!?!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/25 "2017-10-15T03:39:03Z")
> [@running coach](#): > > There’s a recording from the planes radio. You can faintly hear Bush say “Get my ass to Mars” in a bad Austrian accent. But only when the tape is run backwards. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/26 "2017-10-15T03:45:03Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > … the alleged airliner crashes … I **know, right? _conspiritorial wink_** ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/27 "2017-10-15T04:11:28Z")
Just two examples out of MANY \> an alleged airliner penetrates a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” \> a 47 story skyscraper drops for 2.25 sec at 9.8 m/s^2 and keeps its shape as it drops. … all the speculation about how difficult it may have been to execute or … whatever, in no way negates the fundamental physical laws that would have had to be violated to make the official story true. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/28 "2017-10-15T04:12:41Z")
What would have happened if the jets had taken off from a treadmill? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/29 "2017-10-15T04:13:21Z")
From the [closed thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20539744#post20539744) > [@](#): > > Here is a bit of a physics lesson for those who need a refresher: > Think about this, a small car on level ground with the brake off and someone could get behind it an push it and make it roll ( at low speed … ) > OK, same car, same conditions, however a truck 50X the mass of the little car crashes into it at 90 mph, very different bit, no? > and its a function of the inertia of the small car, now what do you think would be the outcome if the speed were increased to 540 mph? > … > next bit, the power required to move an airplane through air goes up exponentially as the speed goes up linearly > that is if an airplane say at aprox 1000 ft altitude and 270 mph required 1000 hp to maintain level flight, > then at 540 mph, it would require 1000 X 1000 or a million hp to maintain flight at that speed. > … > its a given that it would require shifting \>3 tons of mass in order to make the hole in the WTC wall ( that is just the initial nose punch-out… ) > and also there would be the added resistance caused by having to break bolts ( at least 40 of them ) > and also the resistance caused by having to cram a 5 meter dia aircraft body into a space defined as 3.6 meters between decks ( not to mention the floor truss structure ) > The fact is that the behaviour of the alleged FLT175, is justified by having the wall of the skyscraper present “negligible” resistance, however the resistance would have to be significant and cause for deceleration sufficient to stress the aircraft beyond its capability to remain whole. Double the speed only requires 4 times the power. Actually less at cruising altitude due to the lower air resistance. Your truck and car scenario makes no sense. Try this. Accelerate the car to 500 mph and tell me it won’t punch through the trailer. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/30 "2017-10-15T04:13:26Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Diet Coke … wow man the kind that doesn’t make your nose fat! . ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/31 "2017-10-15T04:14:55Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Just two examples out of MANY > \> an alleged airliner penetrates a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” > \> a 47 story skyscraper drops for 2.25 sec at 9.8 m/s^2 and keeps its shape as it drops. > … all the speculation about how difficult it may have been to execute > or … whatever, in no way negates the fundamental physical laws that would have had to be violated to make the official story true. The only thing being negated is your grasp of logic. What is your profession? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/32 "2017-10-15T04:14:57Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Just two examples out of MANY > \> an alleged airliner penetrates a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” > \> a 47 story skyscraper drops for 2.25 sec at 9.8 m/s^2 and keeps its shape as it drops. > … all the speculation about how difficult it may have been to execute > or … whatever, in no way negates the fundamental physical laws that would have had to be violated to make the official story true. One of the standards here is to link to your sources. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/33 "2017-10-15T04:20:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > From the [closed thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20539744#post20539744) > Double the speed only requires 4 times the power. Actually less at cruising altitude due to the lower air resistance. > > Your truck and car scenario makes no sense. > > Try this. Accelerate the car to 500 mph and tell me it won’t punch through the trailer. > **[Air Resistance Formula](https://softschools.com/formulas/physics/air_resistance_formula/85/)** > > Air Resistance Formula note the V SQUARED in the formula for force required to propel anything through air. . also, about that truck/car example, it was intended to demonstrate the fact that the intensity of any encounter between physical bodies increases with speed, therefore an airliner traveling at 540 mph and having to displace \>3 tons of mass, would by the very nature of the event create a very violent and damaging collision. in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, where is the demonstration of this intensity? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/34 "2017-10-15T04:24:29Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > [Air Resistance Formula](http://softschools.com/formulas/physics/air_resistance_formula/85/) > > note the V SQUARED in the formula for force required to propel anything through air. > . > also, about that truck/car example, it was intended to demonstrate the fact that > the intensity of any encounter between physical bodies increases with speed, > therefore an airliner traveling at 540 mph and having to displace \>3 tons of mass, would by the very nature of the event create a very violent and damaging collision. > in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, where is the demonstration of this intensity? When you watch footage of the plane hitti g the tower, do you NOT see a very violent and damaging collision??? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/35 "2017-10-15T04:24:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > One of the standards here is to link to your sources. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqq9r8mPi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqq9r8mPi0) the alleged FLT175 [WTC7.org](http://WTC7.org) RE: the descent of WTC7 at free fall acceleration. OK guyz? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/36 "2017-10-15T04:27:19Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > When you watch footage of the plane hitti g the tower, do you NOT see a very violent and damaging collision??? note that with a deceleration of 1 mph / millisecond the force on the airliner would be \>45 g, that is anything in or attached to the plane would exert \>45 X its weigh in stress upon the air-frame. So WHY then did it leave a wing shaped gash and not a pattern more like a shot-gun blast of bits from a broken up aircraft? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/37 "2017-10-15T04:28:41Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > You’ve already demonstrated in the other thread that you have exactly zero knowledge of actual physics. > > Your “facts” are false, your “logic” is absent and your “science” is a joke. All you have is hot air in the approximate shape of words that don’t add up to sentences much less ideas. > > Give up now. Wow … and exactly what bit proves to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that airliners were used as weapons? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/38 "2017-10-15T04:29:09Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Just two examples out of MANY > \> an alleged airliner penetrates a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” ke=1/2mv^2 > [@](#): > > \> a 47 story skyscraper drops for 2.25 sec at 9.8 m/s^2 and keeps its shape as it drops. Huh? You know that gravity pulls toward the center of the earth, not an angle, right? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/39 "2017-10-15T04:29:49Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > note that with a deceleration of 1 mph / millisecond > the force on the airliner would be \>45 g, that is anything in or attached to the plane > would exert \>45 X its weigh in stress upon the air-frame. So WHY then did it leave a wing shaped gash and not a pattern more like a shot-gun blast of bits from a broken up aircraft? Are you really asking why a plane made a plane-shaped hole? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/40 "2017-10-15T04:30:45Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqq9r8mPi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqq9r8mPi0) the alleged FLT175 > > [WTC7.org](http://WTC7.org) RE: the descent of WTC7 at free fall acceleration. > > OK guyz? Not alleged. That was a real airplane. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=3)