# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/41 "2017-10-15T04:30:50Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Wow … and exactly what bit proves to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that airliners were used as weapons? He flies airliners for a living. What so you do? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/42 "2017-10-15T04:32:54Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > [Air Resistance Formula](http://softschools.com/formulas/physics/air_resistance_formula/85/) > \*\* > note the V SQUARED in the formula for force required to propel anything through air.\*\* > . > also, about that truck/car example, it was intended to demonstrate the fact that > the intensity of any encounter between physical bodies increases with speed, > therefore an airliner traveling at 540 mph and having to displace \>3 tons of mass, would by the very nature of the event create a very violent and damaging collision. > in the video of the alleged FLT175 penetrating the south wall of the south tower, where is the demonstration of this intensity? [From here.](http://mccraw.co.uk/wind-resistance-cycling-speed/) > [@](#): > > This is because the main source of resistance, pushing bike and body through the air, increases exponentially polynomially (thanks to Iain B for the correction!) with speed. That is, if a rider doubles their speed, not only will they ‘hit’ the air molecules in front of them twice as hard, twice as many air molecules must be pushed aside every second. > > The result? Drag squares with speed (doubling speed increases drag fourfold). I’m not a math guy but even I can see that velocity squared is not the entire equation. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/43 "2017-10-15T04:41:20Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > What’s to discuss? If there were no planes, [more than 150 [tons] of TNT per tower would have to be installed, into many small holes drilled into concrete, to produce the same pulverization](http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/476.pdf) seen that day. Where’d all those explosives come from, who placed them (using devices that have been mistaken for gunfire) without being noticed, and how did those explosives survive the fires? > > Not even Danny Jowenko, the only professional demolitionist that the “Truth” Movement could find to publicly agree with them, believed that the Towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Because of those fires. Please see: > **[9-11 Research: Speed of Fall](https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html)** > > Rate of fall of the Twin Towers,demilition,9/11/01,terrorist . sources … OK? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/44 "2017-10-15T04:48:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who is willing to listen to the tons of evidence available without dismissing as “fraud” anything that doesn’t support already held beliefs? you tell me, how is it that an airliner penetrates a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” and how is it that a skyscraper could be seen dropping at the acceleration of gravity for 2.25 sec and keep its shape as it descends. additionally a skyscraper that falls at 64% of the acceleration of gravity resulting in the complete and total destruction of said skyscraper. who can explain these things? I reference the early days of the space program where scientists and engineers were eager to explain to the public at large how satellites are launched into orbit and why orbits work and all things space. however NOW we have lots of experts who will give the conclusion that airliners were hijacked and used as weapons, however when pressed for details as to WHY things happened in the order that was observed ( etc… ) there is some sort of deep dark secret magic that only the people with advanced degrees can comprehend and I for one smell something VERY rotten here. Where is the explanation for the events that would otherwise constitute violations of the laws of physics? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/45 "2017-10-15T04:51:06Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Please see: > [9-11 Research: Speed of Fall](http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html) And you _really_ don’t realize that this site in _no way whatsoever_ supports _anything_ that you are claiming? _Really_? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/46 "2017-10-15T04:52:11Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [From here.](http://mccraw.co.uk/wind-resistance-cycling-speed/) > > I’m not a math guy but even I can see that velocity squared is not the entire equation. Do you not get that the power required to move a body through air increases exponentially as the speed increases linearly? do you have any other source such as your friendly local professor or even high school science geek who can tell you this is the way it is. what? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/47 "2017-10-15T04:52:43Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Wow … and exactly what bit proves to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that airliners were used as weapons? The part where literally millions of people, including myself, saw it happen live, either in person or on television and that it was filmed happening from multiple angles ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/48 "2017-10-15T04:57:03Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Do you not get that the power required to move a body through air > increases exponentially as the speed increases linearly? > do you have any other source such as your friendly local professor or > even high school science geek who can tell you this is the way it is. > what? Do you? If you can’t back up your claims on these forums, don’t expect people to take anything you say seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/49 "2017-10-15T04:57:16Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And you _really_ don’t realize that this site in _no way whatsoever_ supports _anything_ that you are claiming? _Really_? I don’t care what you allege to support or not support we NEED to have discussion on this subject because whole sick & twisted bureaucracies have been created not to mention wars of aggression and all sorts of really bad foreign policy created because of the BIG LIE. This subject matter must not be relegated to TABOO SUBJECT status. Do you, that is you personally the person reading this, do you sense something that is simply out of balance about the whole 9/11/2001 scene? it just doesn’t pass the smell test, in fact it reeks! you do not need to speculate as to who did it or why, the first thing to get is the blatant obvious violations of the laws of physics in the official story. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/50 "2017-10-15T04:58:13Z")
They lied about the time the collapses took. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vzInIjD6nKw/hqdefault.jpg "This Computer Simulation Explains How the Twin Towers Fell") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzInIjD6nKw) 11 and 13 seconds ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/51 "2017-10-15T04:59:22Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Do you? If you can’t back up your claims on these forums, don’t expect people to take anything you say seriously. I already cited a source, and there are literally dozens on the web science homework help in various forms, this is middle school science class stuff. what is the problem here? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/52 "2017-10-15T05:01:37Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > I already cited a source, and there are literally dozens on the web > science homework help in various forms, this is middle school science class stuff. > what is the problem here? Since you’re new here, the way it works is, _you_ bring the cites. Don’t expect us to do your work for you. If you can’t, or won’t back up your claims, don’t be surprised when people call them horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/53 "2017-10-15T05:01:52Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Do you not get that the power required to move a body through air > increases exponentially as the speed increases linearly? > do you have any other source such as your friendly local professor or > even high school science geek who can tell you this is the way it is. > what? You were claiming the power required increased exponentially. You multiplied your wild guess of 1000hp by 1000hp. HP is not a measure of velocity. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/54 "2017-10-15T05:02:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > They lied about the time the collapses took. > [https://youtu.be/vzInIjD6nKw?t=200](https://youtu.be/vzInIjD6nKw?t=200) > > 11 and 13 seconds However the 64% of the acceleration of gravity is a solid figure and as such is damning evidence that there was foul play at work here. Buildings simply do NOT collapse in this manner, tens of thousands of welds, bolts & joints of all sorts would have had to fail exactly on-time, not too soon or late in order to create the observed result. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/55 "2017-10-15T05:04:33Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > However the 64% of the acceleration of gravity is a solid figure and as such is damning evidence that there was foul play at work here. Buildings simply do NOT collapse in this manner, tens of thousands of welds, bolts & joints of all sorts would have had to fail exactly on-time, not too soon or late in order to create the observed result. Of course, there was foul play. A group of terrorists who had taken flying lessons hijacked four jet liners and managed to hit three buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/56 "2017-10-15T05:05:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You were claiming the power required increased exponentially. > You multiplied your wild guess of 1000hp by 1000hp. > HP is not a measure of velocity. Really guys,? The HP was given as a measure of the POWER required to keep the aircraft in the air level flight steady state speed, doubling the speed, requires the square of the power. now do you get it? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/57 "2017-10-15T05:06:35Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Of course, there was foul play. A group of terrorists who had taken flying lessons hijacked four jet liners and managed to hit three buildings. and you actually believe that an airliner penetrating a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” is an accurate depiction of what should happen if an airliner rammed a skyscraper? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/58 "2017-10-15T05:08:06Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > However the 64% of the acceleration of gravity is a solid figure and as such is damning evidence that there was foul play at work here. Buildings simply do NOT collapse in this manner, tens of thousands of welds, bolts & joints of all sorts would have had to fail exactly on-time, not too soon or late in order to create the observed result. Those welds, bolts and joints are designed to support static loads, not dynamic. Once a floor weighing [4500 tons](https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/EricChen.shtml)(appx.) starts to fall, _nothing_ can stop it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/59 "2017-10-15T05:09:13Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > and you actually believe that an airliner penetrating a skyscraper wall > “like a hot knife through butter” is an accurate depiction of what should happen > if an airliner rammed a skyscraper? You saw the video. You even linked to it. That’s pretty much what happened. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/60 "2017-10-15T05:09:40Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > and you actually believe that an airliner penetrating a skyscraper wall > “like a hot knife through butter” is an accurate depiction of what should happen > if an airliner rammed a skyscraper? Yes, I do. I’m surprised you don’t. What would you expect them to do, bounce off? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=4)