# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/661 "2017-10-16T18:16:38Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > L0L! Nothing brings people together like laughter. Progress! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/662 "2017-10-16T18:18:47Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > L0L! We’re not laughing with you. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/663 "2017-10-16T18:25:34Z")
Sure, but they all laughed at Bozo the Clown, too. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/664 "2017-10-16T18:32:05Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Because conspiracy theores are a cancer spread by deluded and self-rightous fanatics. They not only spread gross misunderstandings of how the physical world works but they also openly discourage realistic social and political activism by providing a shapeless bogeyman that the conspiracy theories can waste their time ‘fighting’ and patting themselves on the back for being part of a ‘revolution’ that does nothing and goes nowhere. nice broad brush … not all activists are alike . Think about it … ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/665 "2017-10-16T18:33:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Where do you get this 2%? The planes were only .0395% of the weight of the Towers. > Unless you think a 767 weighs 10,000 tons. in order to make the initial nose punch out hole the airliner would have had to displace aprox 3 tons of mass. can U dig it? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/666 "2017-10-16T18:34:55Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > nice broad brush … > not all activists are alike > . > Think about it … Being gullible on the internet is not “activism.” ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/667 "2017-10-16T18:35:56Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > did the buildings “collapse” with or without help from explosives > thermite, or black magic & WitchCraft? > > what? It didn’t require any of those. Simply gravity and understanding even the basics of structural physics. At this point, you’ve been shown counters to everything you have put forth. I haven’t seen you actually take the time respond. I watched your video and gave you the counters to it…counters that don’t actually require one to know that much about either material science or chemistry btw. Did you watch any of the videos I linked too? They talk about basically everything you’ve mentioned in the last few pages. The physics of the aircraft hitting the building and its effects. The effects on the steel and what happened. How a building would collapse. All of them were modeled, all of them have citations attached. All you’ve done is basically handwave and post stuff like the above. Do you wonder why no one takes you seriously? And, here is the thing…you are following exactly the same trajectory as every other 9/11 conspiracy theory Truther that’s come before you. Many in this thread have seen dozens of these folks come and go. They never have anything new to see, never want to take the time to even understand the arguments against what they are saying. They knows what they knows, and they don’t need to know nuffin’ else. You are doing the same thing. When presented with facts you don’t come back with a reasoned argument, instead you either shift to something else or try and mock…but your mockery is just silly and basically, underscores how much you don’t know about any of this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/668 "2017-10-16T18:36:54Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > nice broad brush … > not all activists are alike > . > Think about it … He didn’t say, “all activists”. He specifically said, “conspiracy theorists”. Think about it… ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/669 "2017-10-16T18:37:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The Towers were not a monolithic mass. There’s a large portion of open space. The facade the planes hit would not deliver force to the core nor were they reinforced by the core. > The plane won’t overcome the inertia otherwise the Towers would have been pushed over at impact. > Instead, the planes delivered their energy to the building by both friction and impact. did you consider the mass having to be displaced in order to make that initial nose punch out hole? That is the \>3 tons of mass I was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/670 "2017-10-16T18:38:36Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > in order to make the initial nose punch out hole > the airliner would have had to displace aprox 3 tons of mass. > can U dig it? So why is that a problem? You think 2% is significant? ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/671 "2017-10-16T18:43:53Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > OK > oh science guy, what happens to an airliner traveling at 800 ft/sec > and encountering an obstacle that is 2% of its own mass? Are you saying the World Trade Center tower had a mass of 2 tons? That’s incorrect. It was 450,000 tons. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/672 "2017-10-16T18:45:02Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So why is that a problem? You think 2% is significant? as a demonstration of inertia, somebody posted previously that one could tie a string to a weigh and lift the weight slowly and there would be no problem, however if the string were jerked suddenly the string would break, demonstrating inertia. now think about this … an airplane at 800 ft/sec encounters a stationary mass that it must move in order to make that hole in the tower for the aircraft to enter the building. now do you see? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/673 "2017-10-16T18:45:49Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > in order to make the initial nose punch out hole > the airliner would have had to displace aprox 3 tons of mass. > can U dig it? I can’t dig it until I see your math. How did you calculate this? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/674 "2017-10-16T18:45:58Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > in order to make the initial nose punch out hole > the airliner would have had to displace aprox 3 tons of mass. And? What exactly are you getting at? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/675 "2017-10-16T18:46:54Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > did you consider the mass having to be displaced in order to make that initial nose punch out hole? That is the \>3 tons of mass I was talking about. No idea what point you think you are making here. Part of the plane and much of its mass continued through the structure. Some of it came out the other side in fact (at least one of the engines were later found to have gone through the entire building). Much of the energy of the impact was translated into the structure (cutting through beams and structural supports, as well as floors, walls, desks and everything else). The outer facade of the building was ‘displaced’ into the building along with the plane, fragmenting and adding to the mass moving through the structure. What do you think happened to it…or was supposed to happen to it? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/676 "2017-10-16T18:47:12Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > He didn’t say, “all activists”. He specifically said, “conspiracy theorists”. > > Think about it… you do understand of course that the term “conspiracy theorist” was invented by the Government in the wake of the controversy over the JFK assassination … ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/677 "2017-10-16T18:47:34Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > as a demonstration of inertia, somebody posted previously > that one could tie a string to a weigh and lift the weight slowly > and there would be no problem, however if the string were jerked suddenly > the string would break, demonstrating inertia. > now think about this … an airplane at 800 ft/sec encounters a stationary mass that it must move in order to make that hole in the tower for the aircraft to enter the building. > > now do you see? I see a poster that is confusing “self-evident” with “evident only to one’s self”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/678 "2017-10-16T18:48:05Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > as a demonstration of inertia, somebody posted previously > that one could tie a string to a weigh and lift the weight slowly > and there would be no problem, however if the string were jerked suddenly > the string would break, demonstrating inertia. > now think about this … an airplane at 800 ft/sec encounters a stationary mass that it must move in order to make that hole in the tower for the aircraft to enter the building. > > now do you see? The building structure is the string in the above example. Now do _YOU_ see? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/679 "2017-10-16T18:49:12Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > you do understand of course > that the term “conspiracy theorist” was invented by the Government > in the wake of the controversy over the JFK assassination … :rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/680 "2017-10-16T18:50:41Z")
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