# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1121 "2017-10-18T03:09:06Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > WTC 7 is a non-starter. If it was purposefully brought down, so what? It was the best possible time for it to fall. If they did it and lied about doing it, why would we even care? You should care because the media has supported a LIE, why tell the world that WTC7 “collapsed” when it was blown up? BTW: the towers were also blown up. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1122 "2017-10-18T03:20:10Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > NOTE: David Chandler doesn't agree with my position on the fake nature of the planes, its an imperfect world ..... whatever .... The segment with Banfield, those were not explosions. Explosions are sharp cracks and wouldn’t be that faint. There’s nothing to tie those claims of explosions with the video record. Got a link to the collapse with the actual sound? Those people who claimed to hear explosions? Could it be things like propane tanks or such? Note in the demolition video I linked, the blasts are sharp, evenly spaced in a pattern, not random. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1123 "2017-10-18T03:35:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The segment with Banfield, those were not explosions. Explosions are sharp cracks and wouldn’t be that faint. > There’s nothing to tie those claims of explosions with the video record. > Got a link to the collapse with the actual sound? Those people who claimed to hear explosions? Could it be things like propane tanks or such? > > Note in the demolition video I linked, the blasts are sharp, evenly spaced in a pattern, not random. With or without any recorded soundtrack of explosions, there is no excuse ( other that Controlled Demolition ) for the fall of WTC7 in the manner that was observed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1124 "2017-10-18T03:36:59Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > BTW: the towers were also blown up. Yes they were. With passenger airplanes. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1125 "2017-10-18T03:38:25Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > With or without any recorded soundtrack of explosions, > there is no excuse ( other that Controlled Demolition ) for the fall of WTC7 in the manner that was observed. Prove it. Video with a clear unedited soundtrack of the demolition charges. You’re making the claim, you bring the proof. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1126 "2017-10-18T03:39:43Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > You should care because the media has supported a LIE, > why tell the world that WTC7 “collapsed” when it was blown up? > > BTW: the towers were also blown up. Why were they allegedly blown up from the top? Didn’t hear any explosions there, either. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1127 "2017-10-18T03:42:52Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > I do so loath & despise a game of “my experts are better than your experts” > however with that said - - - [World Trade Center 7 (WTC 7) University of Alaska Fairbanks](http://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/) > Note that these guys disagree with me about the airliners however they got something right in that the > bit about WTC7 descending a free fall acceleration for 2.25 sec … > the real serious problem I have with this sort of game, is that it really shouldn’t take a Professor to > tell people that the 2.25 sec of free fall is more than significant, its totally damning evidence that shows WTC7 was blown up, it didn’t just “collapse”. Ah, yes. Hulsey’s sponsered ‘study’. After over two years of saying how open they would be they hid everything but some YouTube posts and when they finally released their preliminary report it was debunked almost immediately. > **[Debunked: UAF Study Shows WTC7 Could Not Have Collapsed from Fire](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-uaf-study-shows-wtc7-could-not-have-collapsed-from-fire.9056/)** > > This thread was to discuss the 2017 presentation by Hulsey, and has been superseded by the publication of the draft report, discussed here: https://www.metabunk.org/sept-3-2019-release-of-hulseys-wtc7-draft-report-analysis.t10890/ > > > > > > The Claim... ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1128 "2017-10-18T03:45:12Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Yes they were. With passenger airplanes. The airliners were fake, and the proof of that fact is in the fraudulent video alleging to show an airliner penetrating the south wall of the south tower. there was no accounting for the resistance to penetration that the skyscraper would have presented. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1129 "2017-10-18T03:47:07Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > The airliners were fake, and the proof of that fact is in the fraudulent video alleging to show an airliner penetrating the south wall of the south tower. > there was no accounting for the resistance to penetration that the skyscraper would have presented. That’s not proof. If they’re not airliners, what are they? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1130 "2017-10-18T03:48:19Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Ah, yes. Hulsey’s sponsered ‘study’. After over two years of saying how open they would be they hid everything but some YouTube posts and when they finally released their preliminary report it was debunked almost immediately. > > [https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-uaf-study-shows-wtc7-could-not-have-collapsed-from-fire.t9056/](https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-uaf-study-shows-wtc7-could-not-have-collapsed-from-fire.t9056/) Metabunk can complain all they want the critical piece of INFORMATION here is the fact that the building spent 2.25 sec in FREE FALL. end of story! ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1131 "2017-10-18T03:53:29Z")
Alright, Jay\_Jay. You win. I was recently diagnosed with a terminal illness, so I’m gonna level with you. I was part of Operation Blackbox, a secret government task force to fake the 9/11 attacks. Ask me anything. A few things : 1. Those airplanes, despite weighing 98,000 lbs after we disposed of the passengers and got them ready for the mission, crumpled like aluminum foil when we hit the towers. Had to time the explosion just right. 2. The charges in WTC7 were supposed to go off at the same time as the North Tower collapse. But the collapse took out our detonation wiring, which ran through the subway tunnels! We had to sneak an operative in to light the backup fuse. Our bad, it looked awful suspicious 3. The airliners weren’t fake, we did use real planes. 4. Some of the workers clearing the sight saw more than they shouldn’t have. We have an aerosol mist that can give someone cancer, so we had some of our agents set off some misters in their tents. 5. We didn’t actually fake the Flight 93 cell phone calls. We rigged the plane with a mobile cell tower to make sure the calls went through. 6. Why did we do it? To drum up support for the invasion of Saudi Arabia, of course. That was our original plan. Start a war with Saudi Arabia, seize all their oil, and make the Bush family rich. Also, get them reelected. 7. The charges we actually used were linear cutting charges on the bolts holding up each floor. That’s why it collapsed so fast - we have them installed on every floor. We put them in during ‘fireproofing’ upgrades to the ceiling. The fireproofing was actually a special mixture containing thermite. The jet fuel fire was just the initiator for the thermite. 8. Back in 2001, autopilots weren’t very good. We actually had pilots steer the aircraft remotely. I’ll answer more of your questions when I can, need to go for a round of chemo. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1132 "2017-10-18T03:53:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s not proof. > If they’re not airliners, what are they? As I have stated before, it is possible to know what something isn’t without having to explain what it is. What we are seeing in the video [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgO-zikUXiY) is clearly fake, the wall would have presented sufficient resistance to decelerate a real airliner by a minimum of 1 mph/millisecond resulting in \>45 g force applied to the aircraft. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1133 "2017-10-18T03:56:38Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Alright, Jay\_Jay. You win. I was recently diagnosed with a terminal illness, so I’m gonna level with you. > > I was part of Operation Blackbox, a secret government task force to fake the 9/11 attacks. Ask me anything. > > A few things : > > 1. Those airplanes, despite weighing 98,000 lbs after we disposed of the passengers and got them ready for the mission, crumpled like aluminum foil when we hit the towers. Had to time the explosion just right. > 2. The charges in WTC7 were supposed to go off at the same time as the North Tower collapse. But the collapse took out our detonation wiring, which ran through the subway tunnels! We had to sneak an operative in to light the backup fuse. Our bad, it looked awful suspicious > 3. The airliners weren’t fake, we did use real planes. > 4. Some of the workers clearing the sight saw more than they shouldn’t have. We have an aerosol mist that can give someone cancer, so we had some of our agents set off some misters in their tents. > 5. We didn’t actually fake the Flight 93 cell phone calls. We rigged the plane with a mobile cell tower to make sure the calls went through. > 6. Why did we do it? To drum up support for the invasion of Saudi Arabia, of course. That was our original plan. Start a war with Saudi Arabia, seize all their oil, and make the Bush family rich. Also, get them reelected. > 7. The charges we actually used were linear cutting charges on the bolts holding up each floor. That’s why it collapsed so fast - we have them installed on every floor. We put them in during ‘fireproofing’ upgrades to the ceiling. The fireproofing was actually a special mixture containing thermite. The jet fuel fire was just the initiator for the thermite. > 8. Back in 2001, autopilots weren’t very good. We actually had pilots steer the aircraft remotely. > > I’ll answer more of your questions when I can, need to go for a round of chemo. L0L! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1134 "2017-10-18T03:56:43Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > As I have stated before, it is possible to know what something isn’t > without having to explain what it is. > > What we are seeing in the video > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgO-zikUXiY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgO-zikUXiY) > is clearly fake, the wall would have presented sufficient resistance to decelerate a real airliner by a minimum of 1 mph/millisecond resulting in \>45 g force applied to the aircraft. Wow. Looks like an airplane to me. If you claim it’s something else, then you’ve seen a video of the actual object. Post it. Where did you get those latest figures? Why do they keep changing? And you’ve been shown ample proof of how relatively flimsy items can penetrate strong marterials at very high speeds. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1135 "2017-10-18T03:56:53Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1136 "2017-10-18T03:59:20Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > NM He thinks that proves it’s a controlled demolition. Won’t explain how that works. That “NM” wasn’t there a second ago. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1137 "2017-10-18T03:59:28Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Metabunk can complain all they want > the critical piece of INFORMATION here is the fact that the building spent 2.25 sec in FREE FALL. end of story! That is not the trump card you think it is. Read the NIST report. The short version is that the Free Falling you are harping on is merely the exterior skin of the building falling because the interior structure had already failed and fallen or was falling. Without it there was little to resist the falling of the building skin. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/1138 "2017-10-18T04:07:13Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > You should care because the media has supported a LIE, > why tell the world that WTC7 “collapsed” when it was blown up? > > BTW: the towers were also blown up. This is a warning for failure to follow a moderator’s instructions. Please see post #961. I’ve gone ahead and suspended you for 7 days for multiple warnings in a short period of time. Please take the time to cool off and reflect. * * * I think this thread has played itself out. I’m closing it. [/moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=56)