# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/101 "2017-10-15T06:20:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There’s a crackpot theory that the buildings were empty for months while they were prepped. > And all those plummeting bodies were crisis actors. Or crisis stunt people. > > Like I said in the other thread, NYC has been populated for decades with nothing but crisis actors to prepare for that one day. Or, crash test dummies. Falling 100 stories tends to be rough on crisis actors. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/102 "2017-10-15T06:22:33Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Why didn’t it collapse from the bottom like a typical controlled demolition? controlled demolition simply means CONTROLLED it doesn’t have to follow the classic implosion model. the fact that the towers ( both of them ) were completely and totally destroyed and in a manner that had the collapse drop straight down through the path of most resistance is very telling about this whole scene, the fact that it was sold to the public as a “collapse” caused by the aircraft crash & fire, is one hell of a selling job but hey… the Tell-Lie-Vision can sell ice makers to Eskimos … ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/103 "2017-10-15T06:23:01Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Or, crash test dummies. Falling 100 stories tends to be rough on crisis actors. The sidewalk was a hologram, hiding stacks of feather mattresses beneath. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/104 "2017-10-15T06:23:14Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Or, crash test dummies. Falling 100 stories tends to be rough on crisis actors. Not if they’re using anti-gravity units brought in from Area 53. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/105 "2017-10-15T06:24:17Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > controlled demolition simply means CONTROLLED > it doesn’t have to follow the classic implosion model. > the fact that the towers ( both of them ) were completely and totally destroyed > and in a manner that had the collapse drop straight down through the path of most resistance is very telling about this whole scene, the fact that it was sold to the public as a “collapse” caused by the aircraft crash & fire, is one hell of a selling job > but hey… the Tell-Lie-Vision can sell ice makers to Eskimos … So where did the demolition start from? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/106 "2017-10-15T06:24:23Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Or, crash test dummies. Falling 100 stories tends to be rough on crisis actors. again a tangent with no other purpose than to distract from the discussion of the physics of the events. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/107 "2017-10-15T06:25:20Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > again a tangent > with no other purpose than to distract from the **discussion of the physics of the events**. Just biding our time until it starts. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/108 "2017-10-15T06:26:49Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > again a tangent > with no other purpose than to distract from the discussion of the physics of the events. That is because you knowledge of physics could be written on a pinhead with a sledgehammer. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/109 "2017-10-15T06:29:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So where did the demolition start from? hard to say exactly in that people who were in the towers at the time heard explosions in the basement levels of the towers at the time there was allegedly an airliner impacting the upper floors. The official story is that the “collapse” event started at the point of the airplane crash area. and really, its again a tangent to the actual physics explanation of why it could only have been a controlled demolition. the fact of the 64% of the acceleration of gravity for the descent of the towers, the symmetry and totality of the destruction, these are features of an event that had to have been engineered to happen as it did, this sort of thing is NOT an accident. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/110 "2017-10-15T06:31:11Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > That is because you knowledge of physics could be written on a pinhead with a sledgehammer. exactly what knowledge of physical science do you bring to the discussion? can you express in detail what you believe is wrong with my arguments? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/111 "2017-10-15T06:33:26Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > exactly what knowledge of physical science do you bring to the discussion? > can you express in detail what you believe is wrong with my arguments? Yes. Every single point you think you’ve made is based on emotional paranoid garbage reasoning. Please start from the very beginning. One point at a time. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/112 "2017-10-15T06:33:47Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > hard to say exactly in that people who were in the towers at the time heard explosions in the basement levels of the towers at the time there was allegedly an airliner impacting the upper floors. The official story is that the “collapse” event started at the point of the airplane crash area. and really, its again a tangent to the actual physics explanation of why it could only have been a controlled demolition. > the fact of the 64% of the acceleration of gravity for the descent of the towers, the symmetry and totality of the destruction, these are features of an event that had to have been engineered to happen as it did, this sort of thing is NOT an accident. Obviously, IF the explosions actually occurred, they had nothing to do with the towers coming down. Care to link to those accounts? At the start of the thread, you referred to the alleged airplanes. Now they’re real. You said the towers couldn’t collapse from the top and now you say there was a controlled demolition at the point of the aircraft impact and a collapse that you declared impossible. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/113 "2017-10-15T06:34:03Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > again a tangent > with no other purpose than to distract from the discussion of the physics of the events. The rest of us are discussing physics. You’re discussing fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/114 "2017-10-15T06:38:49Z")
Jay\_Jay: On a different tangent, I’m curious about this–before you made this post, roughly what percent of responders did you feel would agree with your assertions from the beginning? What percentage of the opposition did you expect to be able to reason over to your side? Has this thread matched or confounded your expectations? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/115 "2017-10-15T06:39:47Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > If only there were eyewitnesses. does anyone have ANY sort of documented eye witness statement at all? where is the documentation? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/116 "2017-10-15T06:41:41Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > The rest of us are discussing physics. You’re discussing fantasy. Please cite examples of how the rest of you are discussing physics. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/117 "2017-10-15T06:42:18Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > does anyone have ANY sort of documented eye witness statement at all? > where is the documentation? Beyond the news coverage? You’re actually denying that? Anyway. Here: [http://11-sept.org/survivors.html](http://11-sept.org/survivors.html) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/118 "2017-10-15T06:44:09Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Please cite examples of how the rest of you are discussing physics. Are you serious? You can’t fucking be arsed to read anyone’s posts? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/119 "2017-10-15T06:45:17Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Jay\_Jay: On a different tangent, I’m curious about this–before you made this post, roughly what percent of responders did you feel would agree with your assertions from the beginning? What percentage of the opposition did you expect to be able to reason over to your side? Has this thread matched or confounded your expectations? I don’t harbor expectations about this sort of thing, its all just take it as it comes, I will say that I’m disappointed in the level of actual science in this discussion, if anybody has a problem with a specific bit of the science argument that I have presented, please by all means express it, however, what has happened is unfortunately a degeneration into humor and tangents and unfounded accusations about the lack of foundation in my arguments without citing specifics. its a sick sad world! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/120 "2017-10-15T06:45:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > What _the fuck_ do you think “squared” means??? Well, he used to be just “Jay”, if that’s any indication. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=7)