# Who cares to debate the events of 9/11/2001 based upon the laws of physics? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861 "2017-10-14T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/141 "2017-10-15T07:03:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You missed my link. > [http://11-sept.org/survivors.html](http://11-sept.org/survivors.html) > > Of course, you ignoring the TV coverage, the thousands in the street, all the survivors of those killed. Where’s their documentation? Sworn upon a bible under a gold fringed flag? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/142 "2017-10-15T07:03:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So you’re claiming the entire city was empty and the whole thing was staged? I claim nothing of the sort, this tangent has NOTHING to do with the physics of the event(s). ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/143 "2017-10-15T07:04:37Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > TV = TELL-LIE-VISION > also of the “eye witness” more like ear witness in that the most often reported bit > was “I heard a huge explosion” they didn’t see the alleged airliner at all. > > and as for the survivors of those who lost their lives that day, how many of these people were in any sort of position to see first hand what was going on? > > Where is the EYE WITNESS account that states they saw the airliner penetrate the skyscraper wall? Are you kidding? The first plane’s impact was captured on film, and the second one occurred live on television in front of millions of viewers. Tangents, humor, and pointing out the lack of foundations in your arguments are all you deserve. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/144 "2017-10-15T07:04:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Where’s their documentation? Sworn upon a bible under a gold fringed flag? again tangents to avoid actually addressing the physics of the event(s) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/145 "2017-10-15T07:05:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So you’re claiming the entire city was empty and the whole thing was staged? Probably used the same set that they used to film WWII. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/146 "2017-10-15T07:05:44Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > No matter what the power, people who dress like [this](http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/b_1d/beyonder.gif) must be opposed! Good luck with that. That’s pre ret-conned Beyonder! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/147 "2017-10-15T07:06:32Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > to clear up any misconceptions here > I am quite certain that it was NOT any commercial airliner that struck either tower or the Pentagon. > now as for what did exactly, WHO KNOWS? > the fact is that it is possible to know that an illusion has been done, > without having to describe in detail HOW said illusion was done. > . > 'nuff said? So how do you know the towers came down.? Maybe they’re still there, cloaked. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/148 "2017-10-15T07:08:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Good luck with that. That’s pre ret-conned Beyonder! :eek: That’s the Beyonder of my youth, and any other version is BiNO! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/149 "2017-10-15T07:08:43Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > to clear up any misconceptions here > I am quite certain that it was NOT any commercial airliner that struck either tower or the Pentagon. > now as for what did exactly, WHO KNOWS? > the fact is that it is possible to know that an illusion has been done, > without having to describe in detail HOW said illusion was done. > . > 'nuff said? Again, if it were an illusion, then understanding how the illusion was done is germane to the discussion. You can’t just wave your hand and say, “Well, it’s magic.” If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then there’s a good chance that its quack echoes. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/150 "2017-10-15T07:08:50Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Yes. Every single point you think you’ve made is based on emotional paranoid garbage reasoning. Please start from the very beginning. One point at a time. Point, an airliner colliding with a skyscraper wall would have to suffer the consequences of equal and opposite reaction and therefore if there was sufficient energy to punch a hole in the wall that includes having to displace \>3 tons of mass, there would be sufficient energy to destroy the airliner and that is break it up into a lot of aircraft wreckage before it had any opportunity to make that wing shaped gash. do you see this at all? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/151 "2017-10-15T07:08:57Z")
Okay, let’s talk physics. The vast, vast, VAST majority of experts all over the globe who know science think that the towers were brought down by airplanes. Those who do not are not only few in number, but generally ignored at best. If it really was a matter of high school physics, this would not be the case; the entire scientific community would be pointing this out loudly, constantly, and in unison, as with climate change. But they’re not. I think I’ll trust them. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/152 "2017-10-15T07:09:12Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > again tangents to avoid actually addressing the physics of the event(s) Here’s the physics in free verse Plane hit building! bad . Building caught on fire from jet fuel Building stayed on fire People jumped. I saw this as it happened and it was horrific. The fire heated up the steel which then weakened and the tower collapsed. Thousands were burned to death or crushed. This was and is reality. No illusions necessary. That’s the physics. And here to make it formal. F=ma. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/153 "2017-10-15T07:10:49Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Again, if it were an illusion, then understanding how the illusion was done is germane to the discussion. You can’t just wave your hand and say, “Well, it’s magic.” If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then there’s a good chance that its quack echoes. ah, but at present, we are still at the point where so many people believe that its not an illusion, its totally legit to have an airliner penetrate a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” BTW: at no time have I said “its magic” there is an explanation, however that part comes later after we get critical mass of people on-board with the concept that its FRAUD. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/154 "2017-10-15T07:14:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Here’s the physics in free verse > > Plane hit building! > > bad > . > > Building caught on fire from jet fuel > Building stayed on fire > People jumped. I saw this as it happened and it was horrific. > The fire heated up the steel which then weakened and the tower collapsed. > Thousands were burned to death or crushed. > This was and is reality. > No illusions necessary. > > That’s the physics. And here to make it formal. F=ma. the famous and all to often miss used F=ma do you understand that the a in this equation stands for ACCELERATION? and so what of a building where the collapse event is descending at 64% of the acceleration of gravity? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/155 "2017-10-15T07:14:51Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > ah, but at present, we are still at the point where so many people > believe that its not an illusion, its totally legit to have an airliner > penetrate a skyscraper wall “like a hot knife through butter” Well, like I said, duck, meet echo. The reason so many people believe it’s not an illusion is because it actually happened. And you’re the one who keeps using the word “illusion.” Illusion = magic, at least if it’s man-made. And what’s your obsession with the phrase “hot knife through butter,” anyway? Did you tear your toast spreading cold butter on it? ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Jay\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Jay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/156 "2017-10-15T07:15:58Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Okay, let’s talk physics. The vast, vast, VAST majority of experts all over the globe who know science think that the towers were brought down by airplanes. Those who do not are not only few in number, but generally ignored at best. If it really was a matter of high school physics, this would not be the case; the entire scientific community would be pointing this out loudly, constantly, and in unison, as with climate change. But they’re not. > > I think I’ll trust them. so you are abdicating your thinking to EXPERTS who have concluded that 19 radical Arabs hijacked airliners … (etc … ) right? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/157 "2017-10-15T07:16:00Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Point, an airliner colliding with a skyscraper wall > would have to suffer the consequences of equal and opposite reaction > and therefore if there was sufficient energy to punch a hole in the wall > that includes having to displace \>3 tons of mass, there would be sufficient energy to destroy the airliner and that is break it up into a lot of aircraft wreckage before it had any opportunity to make that wing shaped gash. > > do you see this at all? No. That’s not how that works. Yes the plane will be destroyed. But due to conservation of momentum all the pieces are hitting the building as expected. And the plane doesn’t disintegrate the instant the nose touches something. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/158 "2017-10-15T07:16:08Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > Point, an airliner colliding with a skyscraper wall > would have to suffer the consequences of equal and opposite reaction > and therefore if there was sufficient energy to punch a hole in the wall > that includes having to displace \>3 tons of mass, there would be sufficient energy to destroy the airliner and that is break it up into a lot of aircraft wreckage before it had any opportunity to make that wing shaped gash. > > do you see this at all? It wasn’t a wall. For the most part, It was sheets of glass and the metal to hold them in place. Take a look at this [photo](http://algoxy.com/conc/images/wtccoreshilouette.jpg) from this [page.](http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/159 "2017-10-15T07:17:49Z")
The “hot knife through butter” jj keeps using [seems to be a dog whistle](https://www.google.com/search?btnG=Search&q=%22like+a+hot+knife+through+butter%22+911). ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861/160 "2017-10-15T07:19:19Z")
> [@Jay\_Jay](#): > > so you are abdicating your thinking to EXPERTS who have concluded that 19 radical Arabs hijacked airliners … (etc … ) right? What do the hijackers have to do with anything? I thought you were talking about physics and science, the general principles of which are widely known and disseminated, not to mentioned examined and studied to death for hundreds of years. All I was saying was that if “debunking” the official story of the tower collapses were a matter of simple understanding of physics, then every single physicist IN THE WORLD should agree with you right now. But they don’t. I think that’s relevant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-cares-to-debate-the-events-of-9-11-2001-based-upon-the-laws-of-physics/798861.md?page=9)