# Who do you think will do well in the debate tonight (8/6/15)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 6, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146 "2015-08-06T12:28:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/281 "2015-08-11T12:27:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’ve followed Kasich much more closely Is that why you chose to root for Paul, then Christie, then Jindal instead? Because you knew enough about Kasich not to root for him right from the start? And now you’ve gone that far down the list? Who’s next? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/282 "2015-08-11T12:55:09Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Kasich is the only one running that I would actually not really mind as president. Which makes me wonder if he’s another Jon Huntsman, but we’ll see. Huntsman committed two cardinal sins: he worked for Obama, and he spent more time criticizing fellow Republicans than the President he would be running against. THe Obama campaign was smart. They lauded Huntsman’s service and nearly all but endorsed him for President. It not only made sure that Republicans would be skeptical, but made it so a very decent man would feel like a heel if he attacked a man who had praised him so. Kasich is politically similar to Huntsman, but he’s more of a Republican partisan. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/283 "2015-08-11T13:15:17Z")
Huntsman’s only sin was to be an adult. His father’s sin was to talk about Romney’s tax evasion. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/284 "2015-08-11T13:32:18Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Kasich is the only one running that I would actually not really mind as president. Which makes me wonder if he’s another Jon Huntsman, but we’ll see. Not really - [John Kasich: A Jeb Bush in Jon Huntsman Clothing](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/john-kasich-a-jeb-bush-in-jon-huntsman-clothing/). > [@538](#): > > Kasich’s record is actually considerably more conservative than Huntsman’s. For one thing, he isn’t in favor of same-sex marriage. When we look at our aggregate ideological ratings, which combine Kasich’s congressional voting record, the ideology of his donors and the left-right lean of his public statements, Kasich is about as moderate as Jeb Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney. Huntsman, on the other hand, looks a lot more like Chris Christie. Kasich talks like a moderate but “moderate Republican” is relative these days. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/285 "2015-08-11T14:22:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > As pointed out elsewhere, Trump’s come out as an anti-vaxxer. Still happy with him? Don’t care. Trump is a motormouth. He says whatever comes into his head. That doesn’t mean he actually thought hard about it or studied the subject matter. But he knows how to pick his management team, who would actually research things and suggest policy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/286 "2015-08-11T15:20:17Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Don’t care. Trump is a motormouth. He says whatever comes into his head. That doesn’t mean he actually thought hard about it or studied the subject matter. Well, I’m sold. That’s exactly the sort of person I want negotiating nuclear treaties with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/287 "2015-08-11T15:23:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, I’m sold. That’s exactly the sort of person I want negotiating nuclear treaties with Russia. What nuclear treaties are being negotiated with Russia? And you’re aware, of course, that Presidents don’t actually negotiate treaties. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/288 "2015-08-11T15:41:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > What nuclear treaties are being negotiated with Russia? Just an example. Trade talks with China? Economic talks with the G7? Any public event requiring the President not to just blurt out the first damn thing that comes into his head? > [@](#): > > And you’re aware, of course, that Presidents don’t actually negotiate treaties. Such a shame, given that we’ve got a candidate whose amazing deal-making skills are being touted as one of his main qualifications for the job. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/289 "2015-08-11T15:53:51Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > I do love to hear Dems are scared of Trump, though unfortunately, I’m not hearing it as frequently. Some GOPers are starting to notice most Dems really are ecstatic regarding his candidacy. > > I hope they don’t realize what a disaster he is, until it’s too late, like Palin. Ensure another Dem in the White House. To be honest i think in his heart of hearts he is probably a democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/290 "2015-08-11T15:59:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > To be honest i think in his heart of hearts he is probably a democrat. I think, like Perot, he’s a guy who always thinks he’s the smartest one in the room and thus he ought to be in charge. If he thought he’d win as a Democrat he’d be giving Hillary a run for her money right now. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/291 "2015-08-11T16:23:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > When another poster educated me as to his dismal Louisiana record. I’d been aware of his accomplishments in Louisiana, which are still quite real, but apparently the state’s fiscal standing degraded and the bill started to come due late in his second term and I hadn’t been aware. > > I still like Jindal, but even after two terms as governor it looks like he might not quite be ready. But Kasich/Jindal as a ticket sure looks fine to me. What? You want to try again and make it coherent this time? First you call his Louisiana record “dismal”, but then you refer to his unspecified “very real” “accomplishments” (I assume you must mean successful exorcisms.) Is his record dismal even taking these “accomplishments” into account? Or is his record actually mixed (in your estimation)? Then you say he “might not quite be ready” as if he just needs to bone up a bit on foreign policy. What can he do to recover for having a dismal record in his one shot at being chief executive of a state? It’s not like he’s going to get another chance at that. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/292 "2015-08-11T16:25:48Z")
A post debate [poll](http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-daily-briefing/2015/08/11082015---kasich-3rd-in-nh-poll.html) of New Hampshire by Franklin Pierce University was released: Trump 18% Bush 13% Kasich 12% Cruz 10% Fiorina 9% margin of error ±4.9% Three of the top 5 (Kasich, Cruz, and Fiorina) are outside the nationwide top five. It presents some interesting possibilities for who makes it past the February winnowing. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/293 "2015-08-11T16:32:08Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > What? You want to try again and make it coherent this time? > > First you call his Louisiana record “dismal”, but then you refer to his unspecified “very real” “accomplishments” (I assume you must mean successful exorcisms.) Is his record dismal even taking these “accomplishments” into account? Or is his record actually mixed (in your estimation)? No, it’s actually dismal. Due to his policies, LA is in sad fiscal shape. Sure, he did some good things as well, and he was honest, which is a big step up for a state like Louisiana. > [@](#): > > Then you say he “might not quite be ready” as if he just needs to bone up a bit on foreign policy. What can he do to recover for having a dismal record in his one shot at being chief executive of a state? It’s not like he’s going to get another chance at that. Serving as VP or going to the Senate can get Jindal some more experience and then he can make a case that he’s ready. He’s still young, and was probably too young to be governor when he took the job. Bill Clinton sucked in his first term too, and a few years off was a great thing for him. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/294 "2015-08-11T16:33:49Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > A post debate [poll](http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-daily-briefing/2015/08/11082015---kasich-3rd-in-nh-poll.html) of New Hampshire by Franklin Pierce University was released: > > Trump 18% > Bush 13% > Kasich 12% > Cruz 10% > Fiorina 9% > margin of error ±4.9% > > Three of the top 5 (Kasich, Cruz, and Fiorina) are outside the nationwide top five. It presents some interesting possibilities for who makes it past the February winnowing. Well, I’m assuming that Trump ain’t winning shit once the primaries actually get started and voters start paying attention. Especially in IA and NH, where voters expect to meet the candidates. Trump doesn’t strike me as the type to ingratiate himself to the peasantry. If he does deign to talk to average people, he’ll do more lecturing and insulting than listening. He’s not winning NH or IA. So that leaves Bush and Kasich as the frontrunners in that state and I really like Kasich’s chances in NH. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/295 "2015-08-11T16:36:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Serving as VP or going to the Senate can get Jindal some more experience and then he can make a case that he’s ready. He’s still young, and was probably too young to be governor when he took the job. Bill Clinton sucked in his first term too, and a few years off was a great thing for him. I would think screwing up his governorship would disqualify him from consideration for VP, but I guess things work differently in the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/296 "2015-08-11T16:40:22Z")
It just might. Believe it or not, things like this matter to Republicans, which is why a guy who was a young star is now in like 15th place. We’re not the party that declined to nominate well qualified people in 2008 in favor of three junior Senators with not a day of executive experience among them and less legislative experience combined than Joe Biden or Chris Dodd. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/297 "2015-08-11T16:56:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > We’re not the party that declined to nominate well qualified people in 2008 in favor of three junior Senators with not a day of executive experience among them and less legislative experience combined than Joe Biden or Chris Dodd. Your irrational and off-topic Obama hatred is noted, once again. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/298 "2015-08-11T17:01:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It just might. Believe it or not, things like this matter to Republicans, which is why a guy who was a young star is now in like 15th place. > > We’re not the party that declined to nominate well qualified people in 2008 in favor of three junior Senators with not a day of executive experience among them and less legislative experience combined than Joe Biden or Chris Dodd. Worked out pretty well fixing the mess you guys made. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/299 "2015-08-11T17:03:11Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Your irrational and off-topic Obama hatred is noted, once again. Hey, I also took a shot at Clinton and Edwards. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146/300 "2015-08-11T17:04:11Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Worked out pretty well fixing the mess you guys made. As Democratic control of a big majority of states and Congress since Obama took office has demonstrated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-do-you-think-will-do-well-in-the-debate-tonight-8-6-15/727146.md?page=16)