# Who Doesn't Like Pie n Chips? - SDMB Poketroplis 3rd Quarter, 2006 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 5, 2006, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275 "2006-07-05T22:44:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/101 "2006-08-07T02:33:39Z")
I think it’s interesting that all the advice is to bet aggressively to drive out the weaker hands, but… …in #1, the other hand wasn’t weaker. …in #2, there was only one caller and I had nothing after the flop. …in #3, Missy bet 650 and nesta called, so I wouldn’t have scared them off anyway. [QUOTE=Capa84] I don’t understand why A3suited is a call from the button, but a raise from the SB. [/QUOTE] The question was what I’d do if everyone folded around to me. On the button, there’s two players after me to worry about; in the small blind only one. [QUOTE=Capa84] I’d also want to ask Robot Arm, in hand 1–what about the 7s pushed you off that hand? [/QUOTE] I didn’t put him on having the queen; I just saw there were several hands that would beat me and I knew he had one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Capa84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8edcca/32.png) [@Capa84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capa84)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/102 "2006-08-07T03:05:50Z")
Position is more important than whether there is 1 or 2 people still to act. When you have the button, and you have an A, you have to bet it. In fact, if you have any K you need to raise it too. More often than not, the blinds fold to the raise and you take the blinds down. Early in a tourney this doesn’t matter as much, but once the antes come into play and the blinds get big, its critical to take the blinds once every rotation. NL HOLDEM REWARDS AGGRESSION remember that…when you raise a pot preflop, you get information based on calls/folds/reraises. If you limp in, and 3 other people limp in, then on the flop, you have no way to know where your hand is in relation to your opponent. There are situations to call preflop, for sure, but position is of such importance that if you get 9s10s in CO+1 or +2, and you want to play it, then raise to guarantee that you are last to act in all following rounds. You don’t bet aggressively to drive out weak hands. You bet aggressively to put pressure on the other players and induce mistakes. You bet aggressively to get information. It does not matter if you have the best hand or not, by being aggressive you induce mistakes. ANY time you raise preflop, you have to make a follow up bet on the flop. Period. Unless you flop some miracle hand and you want to slow play, then you can check. You have to find out where you are. Lets say you have AK and raise it up. 1 person calls. Flop is Q 7 3. You check. Other person makes 2/3 pot bet. You fold. Other person had 99. Look at it again…flop is again Q 7 3. Now you lead out your pot sized bet. Now you have put pressure on the other player. They have to understand that AQ is a raising hand, and with a Q on the flop its very feasible they are drawing to 2 outs. Most weak players will fold a pocket pair any time an over card hits, IF YOU BE ---
**Author:** ![Capa84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8edcca/32.png) [@Capa84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capa84)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/103 "2006-08-07T03:07:01Z")
If You Bet It ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/104 "2006-08-10T17:41:53Z")
Paula promises promtness, poker players proclaim pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Kyyrewyyoae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Kyyrewyyoae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyyrewyyoae)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/105 "2006-08-10T17:43:25Z")
now that’s promptness. it’s up. i vow to not be first out tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/106 "2006-08-10T18:07:29Z")
So what do you think, **Capa84**? Up for a little $0.10 action tonight? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/107 "2006-08-10T19:03:35Z")
I know I botted last week, and I may end up botting tonight as well. It’s been extremely busy these last couple of weeks here at my house/family. I just celebrated my 20th anniversary yesterday and tomorrow is my middle son’s birthday. I might be buying some more presents or still romancing the wife tonight…not sure which or if either is gonna happen…and to boot, I got two different construction contractors coming over after work to give bids/plans for my backyard. It’s gonna be tight, but I will see if I can make it. Now I will go and update the Kill Stats… ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/108 "2006-08-10T19:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=Yeticus Rex] I know I botted last week, and I may end up botting tonight as well. .. [/QUOTE] I _thought_ you were playing unusually well last week 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/109 "2006-08-10T19:31:09Z")
Kill Stats (3 game minimum): \_\_Who\_\_\_K/G Avg\_\_G\_\_\_\_K 1. OMD…3.40…5…17 2. Nesta…2.67…3…8 3. GO…2.25…4…9 4. Nook…2.00…4…8 5. MissN…0.60…5…3 6. Dag…0.50…4…2 7. Kyy…0.50…4…2 8. MissT…0.40…5…2 9. Yeti…0.40…5…2 10.Aster…0.20…5…1 10.Duck…0.20…5…1 11.Root…0.00…5…0 12.Oslo…0.00…3…0 * * * Waiting in the wings: Aholi…1.00…1…1 Tool…0.50…2…1 Capn…0.00…1…0 Omni…0.00…1…0 Hey **Duck** , I _was playing_ unusually well last week, but it wasn’t Poker that I was playing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/110 "2006-08-10T19:33:56Z")
Er… **Root** is #12 as well as **Oslo**. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/111 "2006-08-10T19:37:38Z")
…and with the looks of things, **MissT** is our current Sneaky Bastard and **OMD** is one, stone-cold MF’r. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/112 "2006-08-10T19:39:52Z")
[QUOTE=Yeticus Rex] Hey **Duck** , I _was playing_ unusually well last week, but it wasn’t Poker that I was playing. 😉 [/QUOTE] TMI! TMI! :eek: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/113 "2006-08-10T19:42:44Z")
[QUOTE=Misnomer] TMI! TMI! :eek: 😉 [/QUOTE] NEI! NEI! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/114 "2006-08-10T19:45:26Z")
[QUOTE=Yeticus Rex] Hey **Duck** , I _was playing_ unusually well last week, but it wasn’t Poker that I was playing. 😉 [/QUOTE] Pocket Pool? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/115 "2006-08-10T20:24:08Z")
I forgot to post: I’d submitted **Lamar Mundane** ’s user info into Pokertropolis, with assurance he’d see the game with the rest of us this week. So, the game’s up. Are you seeing it, **Lamar**? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/116 "2006-08-10T20:47:56Z")
Way to be, **OMD**. I hate that new guys usually can’t get in until the next week, hopefully **Lamar** is still game. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/117 "2006-08-10T20:51:33Z")
I see it now, but my daughter has a soccer tournament starting tonight so I won’t be able to make it. Next week looks good, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/118 "2006-08-10T21:16:14Z")
[QUOTE=Yeticus Rex] …still romancing the wife tonight…not sure which or if either is gonna happen… [/QUOTE] After 20 years, you should either know if it’s going to happen or know when to give up. 😃 Congrats on the anniversary. ---
**Author:** ![Aholibah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Aholibah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aholibah)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2006, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/119 "2006-08-10T23:30:27Z")
Thanks for being on that, **OMD** – sorry I haven’t quite caught up with real life yet. And **Lamar** , sorry I missed you last week, but I’m glad it looks like you’ll be joining us next week. ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275/120 "2006-08-11T03:51:19Z")
Ranking (Kill) 12 Oslo (OMD) 11 LightingTool (GO) 10 DukeofRat (Asterion & GO) 9 Nanook (OMD) 8 RobotArm (GO) 7 Kyy (GO) 6 Asterion (Dag Otto) 5 YetiBot (OMD) 4 Dag Otto (GO) 3 Misnomer (GO) 2 GO (OMD) Winner OMD * * * And I will pose the question again to the group: How should Duke’s kill be counted? At present I have it as half a kill each for Ast and GO. For the hand in question: GO was high stack, but middle hand (pocket KK) Duke was middle stack, and worst hand (pocket QQ) Ast was low stack, but best hand (pocket AA) As such, Ast could not knock out Duke on his own. It took GO’s hand also beating Duke’s in order to put Duke over the top to busting out. On the one hand, GO had a hand that would have beat Duke, whether Ast played the hand or not. On the other, Ast had the best hand for the deal, beating both GO and Duck, and took a significant number of Duke’s chips. I’m torn either way how the kill should be counted. Splitting it seems right, as both GO and Ast were responsible for divesting Duke of his chips and busting him. But I understand the other argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-doesnt-like-pie-n-chips-sdmb-poketroplis-3rd-quarter-2006/363275.md?page=7)