In other words, that’s a “Yes, Bush was worse than Obama.”?
Sure, but Obama’s incomplete. If Obama had managed to be worse in only three fourths the time, that would really be epic.
The Benghazi incident, in which more than three proud American heroes lost their lives, was the “worst tragedy since 9/11.” Obviously Obama and his band of clowns could have avoided this; if nothing else they could have evacuated the consulate the day before.
GWB used blatant lies to start Halliburton’s multi-trillion dollar War against Gog and Magog, leading directly to the Middle East instabilities that still lead the news 12 years later.
Isn’t it a wash? :dubious:
A Democrat who is in a position to know agrees with me:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/how-does-clinton-overcome-obama-20141030
You mean a nearly unknown former Democrat who’s not in a position to know agrees with you?
Now you’re not even trying. He’s a Democrat with direct experience in making the government work better, who worked for an administration that made it a priority. I think he can tell when an administration is trying or not.
Of course. Morley Winograd said something, so we must bow down and accept it.
Should we listen to Dick Morris too?
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
The difference between Obama and Bush is that Obama may be incompetent but Bush went out of his way to destroy this country for the benefit for himself and his neocon pals. Easy to see which character is worse.
It’s not just him. You’re about the only person left who thinks he’s running the government effectively.
Nice to meet you, Ms. Kael. I didn’t know you posted on the Dope.
I can’t believe this is even a question that someone would have to think on. Unless Obama gets us into a massive needless preemptive ground war where 1000s of Americans die and tens of thousands non-american civilians are killed, it’s no contest.
I don’t place blame on Bush for the economic crash… I think that probably would have happened regardless of who was in office. But that war is his.
All true, but Obama could very well get us into such a war. ISIS cannot be defeated without ground troops. Either we have a ground war or we lose and ISIS rules a large swath of the area, training terrorists for strikes against the US and our allies.
ISIS can and will probably be defeated without US ground troops (by which I mean other ground forces will eventually defeat them). It may take a few years, but the threat they pose to us is orders of magnitude less than the number of dead troops it would take to end them with US ground forces.
These are not the only options – further, ISIS ruling a large swath of territory and training terrorists would cause far, far less damage to the United States than actually engaging them in a ground war. Just like Al Qaeda, what ISIS wants most is engagement on the ground. We shouldn’t give them what they want.
A third option is to monitor them closely and arrest gains with airstrikes, and empower/support regional allies to eventually eject them with ground forces. And in the mean time, we use robust intel to try and prevent terrorist attacks.
If ISIS attacks the US itself, there WILL be ground troops. Might as well do it at a time of our choosing, not theirs.
Ah, yes, the Bush Doctrine of preemptive retaliation.
Why does this apply to ISIS, but not Iran, North Korea, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, the Al Qaeda branches all over the place, etc.?
Because they’re the current favorite Obama-buster.
I agree that most of Obama’s supporters, at least those of us who follow politics on a regular basis, know his approval ratings haven’t been doing so hot.
With respect to the why, I’d say a lot of it has to do with the relentless drumbeat of anti-Obama propaganda from the right, most notably Fox News, but from a wide variety of lesser sources as well.
Another thing is that it’s true that while the employment picture is improving, it’s taken a long time to do so, and a lot of people are still hurting - but Republicans block pretty much every Democratic effort to address this. However, the damage seems to stick to the President, rather than to the obstructive Republicans in Congress.
Just in case this hasn’t been linked to, “Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over.” Bush didn’t say that himself, of course - The Onion put those words in his mouth right before his inauguration. But it proved prophetic. Bush took over in the best of times, and turned them into the worst of times. Obama took over in the worst of times, and has done as much to improve things as the Republicans in Congress would let him.
Relevant and recent op-ed from the New York Times, How Obama Lost America. In it, author Ross Douthat gives four possible explanations:
I can see all of them from an uneducated populace with a media that is doing them a disservice with a few caveats.
The economy is doing markedly better and remarkably well compared to any point in his presidency. However, when most Americans are not affected at all by a rising stock market and when claims from pundits on the right that any economic gains are “cooking the books” are given validity by a breathless 24-second news cycle, I can understand it when the average American who has not seen their situation get much better feels frustration. (Of course, I feel the target of their frustration is misplaced.)
The op-ed says that Obamacare remains unpopular but doesn’t delve into the fact that it is working for the most part and makes it out that the “winners and losers” of the ACA are even numbers when they really aren’t.
I think it’s mostly him being blamed for Republican obstructionism (though he also has not been served well by Democratic leaders in Congress - I’m looking at you, Harry Reid and your refusal to really do anything meaningful about filibuster reform) with a little displeasure about foreign policy on the side.
Regardless, it will be interesting in a post-Obama world when the Republicans won’t have him to kick around anymore…