# Who heckled Obama during his address to Congress? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496 "2009-09-10T00:52:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/241 "2009-09-10T17:52:34Z")
No, the health care system is precisely like ours: great, so long as you can afford it. If you can’t, take two aspirin and die. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/242 "2009-09-10T17:56:51Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Why in the world would you put _illegals_ in quotes? Are you implying that illegal immigrants are _not_ in the country illegally? “Illegal” is not a noun. It’s stupid and intentionally dehumanizing to use it as one. > [@](#): > > And why on earth would they want to come to this country anyway? According to Barack Obama, the health care system in their own country is much better than ours! Cite? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/243 "2009-09-10T17:57:16Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Why in the world would you put _illegals_ in quotes? Are you implying that illegal immigrants are _not_ in the country illegally? > > And why on earth would they want to come to this country anyway? According to Barack Obama, the health care system in their own country is much better than ours! I put it in quotes because it’s not terminology I would use. I don’t refer to people as “illegals.” If someone steals a loaf of bread, i.e. he obtains it illegally, I do not refer to him as an illegal bread possessor. He’s a guy who happens to have stolen a loaf of bread, not an “illegal.” I’ve not yet figured out why crossing the border without obtaining proper immigration/visitor documentation is the one breach of the law that makes the person illegal altogether. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/244 "2009-09-10T18:03:04Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > And why on earth would they want to come to this country anyway? According to Barack Obama, the health care system in their own country is much better than ours! Just when I thought, “this discussion can’t get any stupider,” here comes Stephe96 to take a swan dive for the whole team. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/245 "2009-09-10T18:05:14Z")
The capping irony is that being an illegal immigrant to the US is commonly difficult, dangerous, and uncertain. Those who do it are a self-selecting sample of the intelligent, the courageous, and the bold. Precisely those qualities that our tight-righty brethren claim to most admire. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/246 "2009-09-10T18:05:18Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > If it’s any consolation for the whoosh you’re hearing right now I was referring to a scene in Idiocracy where the president (who is also black) is explaining his new initiatives to the “House of Representin’” and gets heckled by the representative from South Carolina. Mr. Wilson was obviously a fan of this movie. And between you and him, that’s the total of two people who saw that movie. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/247 "2009-09-10T18:07:08Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > If someone steals a loaf of bread, i.e. he obtains it illegally, I do not refer to him as an illegal bread possessor. . I’d call him a criminal. So you’re OK with “criminal aliens?” Fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/248 "2009-09-10T18:09:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Those who do it are a self-selecting sample of the intelligent, the courageous, and the bold. . Funniest damn thing I’ve read in weeks! I’d ask for a cite on this, but…well, what would be the point? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/249 "2009-09-10T18:11:39Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I’d call him a criminal. So you’re OK with “criminal aliens?” Fine with me. No, a criminal alien would be the Martian that stole what was left of your brain. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/250 "2009-09-10T18:12:42Z")
I hope I would have the moral courage to hide him and tell the cops I stole it. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/251 "2009-09-10T18:20:23Z")
> [@Kiber](#): > > I think a big “Thank You” is in order for our friend **Shodan**. Look - most of us stupidly assumed that this discussion was about the Op and something a Republican did - oh, about 16 hours ago. But **Shodan** rightly pointed out that we couldn’t possibly express any valid opinion about this recent event unless we simultaneously address every other event that might ever have happened on the D side of the aisle. Fair and balanced and all . . . . . . Oh no, you’re free to address it. I am just here to point out that all the crap about how you really want everyone to respect the Presidency and the office and all that is a pile of hypocritical horseshit. You don’t really care about any of that, and, when you say you do, you are lying. And I will make fun of you. > [@Fear Itself](#): > > Next you will tell my hemorrhoids are necessary to my asshole. I understand your desire to keep your asshole clean for Obama’s dick, but you will have to rely on the Usual Suspects tonguing it out after I finish reaming it out for you. Sorry about that, but there it is. > [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I guess when President Palin is giving her State of the Union address in a few years Shodan will think it perfectly acceptable for Hilary to let out a loud queef of disgust. Who cares what they do in prison? 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/252 "2009-09-10T18:21:53Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > According to Barack Obama, the health care system in their own country is much better than ours! I do hope you’re going to save me some research by pointing out where Obama ever said that the health care systems in Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua or El Salvador are ‘better’, by some objective measure, than that of the USA. 'Cause I’m a bit short on time today. Also, I notice you mentioned the President’s name without either calling him a “jug-eared doofus” or quoting that “Special Olympics” line. Are you sure you’re feeling all right? ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/253 "2009-09-10T18:24:40Z")
Has anyone seen or mentioned this website yet? [http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/](http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/254 "2009-09-10T18:29:04Z")
It’s not really about “respect for the office of President” so much as respect for the decorum of the Chamber and for one’s _own_ office. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/255 "2009-09-10T18:30:35Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > And between you and him, that’s the total of two people who saw that movie. 😃 We had a pretty good thread about it in CS just a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/256 "2009-09-10T18:32:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > There is no “easy route to citizenship”, even for _legal_ immigrants. Uh, yes. Which is why I said nothing whatsoever about people currently seeking legal immigration. What I said was that the admin has indicated that immigration reform is next on the agenda. They have not announced their specific goals. It is quite reasonable, though, to expect that the goals will include an amnesty and a relatively easy route to citizenship for those currently here illegally (as in, easier than the years-long waiting lists and numerous procedural hurdles faced by current legal immigrants) (and FWIW, taken by itself, I’m not completely opposed to such an amnesty). However, if that is something the admin is planning, IMO the honest thing to do is say it now. It’s a little disingenous to sell not covering illegals as a significant concession to the other side in order to get the bill passed, and then turn around a few weeks later and make those same people legal and thus covered. It would, of course, be smart politics. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/257 "2009-09-10T18:34:04Z")
> [@a35362](#): > > Has anyone seen or mentioned this website yet? > > [http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/](http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/) Heh… pretty great. Some legitimate stuff mixed in with the humor. Some priceless ones: > [@](#): > > Joe Wilson canceled Arrested Development ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/258 "2009-09-10T18:34:20Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > staring directly into the glirine eyes Hey, thanks, I’ve learned a new word! (Do you get glirine eyes by using [Murine](http://www.murine.com/tears.htm)?) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/259 "2009-09-10T18:42:57Z")
> [@furt](#): > > What I said was that the admin has indicated that immigration reform is next on the agenda. They have not announced their specific goals. It is quite reasonable, though, to expect that the goals will include an amnesty and a relatively easy route to citizenship for those currently here illegally (as in, easier than the years-long waiting lists and numerous procedural hurdles faced by current legal immigrants) (and FWIW, taken by itself, I’m not completely opposed to such an amnesty). No amnesty has ever included a way around the procedural hurdles currently in place. I suppose the administrations administration policy _could_ offer some such thing, but there’s no reasonable argument suggesting that it _will._ ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496/260 "2009-09-10T18:54:42Z")
> [@furt](#): > > However, if that is something the admin is planning, IMO the honest thing to do is say it now. It’s a little disingenous to sell not covering illegals as a significant concession to the other side in order to get the bill passed, and then turn around a few weeks later and make those same people legal and thus covered. You’re calling THEM disingenuous for not admitting to a scheme that exists only within your own imagination? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-heckled-obama-during-his-address-to-congress/509496.md?page=14)