# Who, here is voting for Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 6, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989 "2016-08-06T22:02:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/181 "2016-09-15T18:01:23Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Dude, don’t you get it? On the 'Dope anything but full liberal support means that you eat little kids for dinner, hate poor people, are the worst racist on the planet, dress badly, cackle madly over giant piles of gold while orphans wail and die from hunger in the streets, and are a minion of Satan. > > You can disagree with certain things, like implementation of a specific policy, but if you disagree with anything else you are to be insulted and assumed to be too stupid to breathe. > > Additionally, if you do disagree and attempt to explain why you disagree, your explanations will be assumed to be lies hiding your ‘true agenda’. The ‘true agenda’ of anyone who disagrees with the 'Dope party line is, as every right thinking person on the 'Dope knows, to turn the pure of heart poor folk into wage slaves so that you can destroy the planet while shooting brown people (whom you force to have more babies by being anti-abortion) to steal their oil so that you can force the (now dead) brown people to read the bible (even if you are an atheist) while you profit from selling tanks to kill the already dead brown people again so that you can deny the poor (many of whom are brown and who are already dead thanks to being shot and ran over by tanks) housing and jobs so that they all turn into criminals so that you can put all the brown people in jails you own to make a profit. > > Or something like that. > > Slee That’s actually a bit understated. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/182 "2016-09-15T18:02:14Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Assume Clinton wants to pass X agenda, and Trump wants Y agenda. For any given person, they could ascribe a certain amount of utility to each, say Clinton’s X agenda has a negative 50, and Trump’s Y agenda has a negative 700. If the probability of Clinton executing her agenda is 75% and the probability of Trump executing on his agenda is 5%, then the expected outcome of a Clinton presidency would be worse than a Trump presidency. (-37.5 vs. -35) I see what you’re saying, but I’m not convinced. I don’t loathe Trump because he might achieve his “agenda.” In fact, I doubt he cares one whit about enacting any of the stuff he’s pandering about. But, he would still be terrible. He has a 100% chance of being a “national disgrace,” to use General Powell’s term. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/183 "2016-09-15T18:03:04Z")
RE: Post #180 and #181-Persecution complex much? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/184 "2016-09-15T18:10:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > RE: Post #180 and #181-Persecution complex much? You were asked not to attack the posters here. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/185 "2016-09-15T18:12:54Z")
I am NOT voting from Trump and not happy about having Hillary to vote for . ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/186 "2016-09-15T18:14:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You were asked not to attack the posters here. I’m sorry, but what would you call those two posts-love letters? They were direct hyperbolic attacks on a majority of posters on this board that went way beyond whether they were voting for Trump or not. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/187 "2016-09-15T18:18:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You were asked not to attack the posters here. But you have no problem with Trump supporters who attack? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/188 "2016-09-15T18:18:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s actually a bit understated. I know. There’s never actually thoughtful posts and discussions coming from us liberal Dopers – just mindless attacks and accusations. It’s not like we ever sincerely inquire about why those who disagree think the way they do, and it’s not like there are ever thoughtful and productive conversations on the Dope about philosophical and political issues. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/189 "2016-09-15T18:21:32Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Dude, don’t you get it? On the 'Dope anything but full liberal support means that you eat little kids for dinner, hate poor people, are the worst racist on the planet, dress badly, cackle madly over giant piles of gold while orphans wail and die from hunger in the streets, and are a minion of Satan… You say it like those are bad things. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/190 "2016-09-15T18:31:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But you have no problem with Trump supporters who attack? You always get excited when posters ignore your “rules” for the threads you start, so again here is my OP:" **Who, here is voting for Trump?** Even \*\*adaher \*\*and iirc \*\*Bricker \*\*aren’t voting for him. So, who is, and why? \*Please do not attack the posters who admit this, guys." \* ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/191 "2016-09-15T18:33:36Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > I don’t think he will be as bad as he is being made out to be. He wasn’t what I wanted, he is what I’m stuck with. I am not here to demonize Hillary or argue about Hillary. This thread is about why I am voting for Trump. I think he is going to create jobs, help fix the economy, stop ILLEGAL immigration, and he is not going to impose on my rights. > > My wife is Filipino. It is a very close group of people. A lot of them are effected by illegal immigrants hurting their job aspects and lowering how much they are going to get paid. So they are voting Trump. Most people I know are voting for Trump. They just don’t talk about it a lot, because how much flak the get. > [@TheStake](#): > > I gave my reasons. If you can’t comprehend them that is on you. > > I think he is better than Hillary. So I am going to vote for him. Pretty simple. Serious and sincere question: do you think he’ll be a better president and create jobs and improve the economy and stop illegal immigration? Or do you think he’ll be bad but just not as bad as people say and not as bad as Hillary would be? Like if he’s elected it will be like Mad Max but if she’s elected it will be Mad Max Fury Road? And if you do think that he’ll create jobs, improve the economy, and stop illegal immigration, why leads you to think that? Anyone can say that they will do X, Y, and Z, and many politicians do, but what makes you think he’ll actually be able to do these things? What makes you think he’s not like so many politicians who have come before and is just saying what his supporters like to hear? I’m sincerely not trying to set this up to attack or insult you, I honestly would like to know. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/192 "2016-09-15T18:37:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You always get excited when posters ignore your “rules” for the threads you start, so again here is my OP:" **Who, here is voting for Trump?** > Even \*\*adaher \*\*and iirc \*\*Bricker \*\*aren’t voting for him. So, who is, and why? > > \*Please do not attack the posters who admit this, guys." > \* And if the post goes beyond saying they are voting for Trump, and instead goes on the attack itself? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/193 "2016-09-15T18:40:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > RE: Post #180 and #181-Persecution complex much? Add accusations of mental illness to the list. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I know. There’s never actually thoughtful posts and discussions coming from us liberal Dopers – just mindless attacks and accusations. It’s not like we ever sincerely inquire about why those who disagree think the way they do, and it’s not like there are ever thoughtful and productive conversations on the Dope about philosophical and political issues. > > :rolleyes: You are one of a small subset of liberal posters on this site that isn’t full of condescension, double standards, and hostility. You are actually pleasant to engage with even when in disagreement. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/194 "2016-09-15T18:56:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are one of a small subset of liberal posters on this site that isn’t full of condescension, double standards, and hostility. You are actually pleasant to engage with even when in disagreement. That’s very kind of you. I recognize that I might be biased, but I think there are plenty of such liberal posters on the board (as well as conservative posters). Is it possible that sometimes more strident disagreement seems to you to be “condescension”, or “hostility”, when it might just be very passionate disagreement? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/195 "2016-09-15T19:13:49Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > I don’t think is the right thread, but I will oblige. I don’t think Obama was horrible, but I think he could have done a lot better. I think Obamacare is horrid. I think the country is more divided then it has been in a long while. I think he jumps to conclusions in matters, before all the evidence is out. I don’t like the refugee crisis and his deal with Iran scares the shit out of me. Why did President Obama make the country “divided”? Because the Republicans, bowing to their racist base, decided to oppose his every move. First, to make him a one-term President. Then to besmirch his reputation. They failed. But they succeeded in raising the spectre of racism & xenophobia–nominating it, in fact. (Alas, the GOP was once The Party of Lincoln.) Alas. I’m sure you’ll object that my post is not within the parameters of the OP. But, if we really limited this thread to Dopers admitting they will vote for Trump, we’d have a very short thread. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/196 "2016-09-15T19:15:57Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Alas. I’m sure you’ll object that my post is not within the parameters of the OP. But, if we really limited this thread to Dopers admitting they will vote for Trump, we’d have a very short thread. You are allowed to ask why, to ask them to elaborate on their answers. This gets more into debating. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/197 "2016-09-15T19:18:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s very kind of you. I recognize that I might be biased, but I think there are plenty of such liberal posters on the board (as well as conservative posters). Is it possible that sometimes more strident disagreement seems to you to be “condescension”, or “hostility”, when it might just be very passionate disagreement? Disagreement based on legitimate arguments is perfectly fine. Calling opponents racist, sexist, bigoted, constructing straw man arguments, halo and horn fallacies, deliberately parsing statements inaccurately, questions in the style of “do you still beat your wife”, are not honest debate tactics. Obviously they get a pass on this forum due to the overwhelming partisan disparity but these and condescension and hostility are not imagined. If political ideology had the same reflexive protections religious ideology has this would clearly be a case of conservaphobic bigotry. Replace Republican, conservative, or libertarian with Muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindu, or whatever and see how these strident disagreements read. Like I said, you carry yourself well. But I’m a bit surprised you don’t see ad hominem attacks and such as hostile. That’s not debating a topic. That’s attacking a person in order to discredit any thing that that person says. Paraphrasing an early ad hominem attack “you are voting for Trump therefore all your opinions are worthless.” is one such example. Is that strident disagreement or is that condescension? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/198 "2016-09-15T19:27:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You are allowed to ask why, to ask them to elaborate on their answers. This gets more into debating. I think we’re allowed a lot more than that, unless you’ve recently become a moderator and I missed the announcement. You don’t get to control your thread. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/199 "2016-09-15T19:33:44Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Disagreement based on legitimate arguments is perfectly fine. Calling opponents racist, sexist, bigoted… is one such example. Is that strident disagreement or is that condescension? We are abashed, ashamed. If it didn’t emanate from such a shining example of civility and reason, it might be suspicious. You are a beacon to us all! But don’t squander your gifts. Crystal pure piety such as yours should be applied in homeopathic dosages, a very little bit at very long intervals. Don’t waste it all on us, when there are so many in need! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/200 "2016-09-15T19:37:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Disagreement based on legitimate arguments is perfectly fine. Calling opponents racist, sexist, bigoted, constructing straw man arguments, halo and horn fallacies, deliberately parsing statements inaccurately, questions in the style of “do you still beat your wife”, are not honest debate tactics. Obviously they get a pass on this forum due to the overwhelming partisan disparity but these and condescension and hostility are not imagined. > > If political ideology had the same reflexive protections religious ideology has this would clearly be a case of conservaphobic bigotry. Replace Republican, conservative, or libertarian with Muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindu, or whatever and see how these strident disagreements read. > > Like I said, you carry yourself well. But I’m a bit surprised you don’t see ad hominem attacks and such as hostile. That’s not debating a topic. That’s attacking a person in order to discredit any thing that that person says. Paraphrasing an early ad hominem attack “you are voting for Trump therefore all your opinions are worthless.” is one such example. Is that strident disagreement or is that condescension? I do see ad hominem attacks as hostile, I’m just saying that perhaps you’re misreading some disagreements as ad hominem. Or perhaps not. I’m sure my eyes skip over some ad hominem attacks because they just don’t interest me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989.md?page=11)