# Who, here is voting for Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 6, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989 "2016-08-06T22:02:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/261 "2016-10-28T00:28:45Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Did I? I thought I explained why I no longer considered myself a Democrat. When Sanders said whites didn’t know what poverty was like, when Clinton decided she had to lecture me on hard times—what’s the buzzword now? Dog whistle? She wasn’t talking to me. I’m a deplorable. I might even be irredeemable. She was talking to you. I’ll let you speak for yourself: "The democratic party has made it 100% clear that white people are the enemy of the United States in ways I can hardly comprehend. New language has been dredged up from academic welfare recipients to leverage guilt at the state of the nation onto white people. Even if I were to agree with this in some abstract sense I am not born an enemy of anyone just by being white and I will roundly and continually reject any party which whispers this garbage, even though often it’s more than a whisper. Trump, on the other hand, has not laid the blame of the state of the US on anyone other than the political class. Even if I disagreed with Trump on this matter, which I don’t, I could not possibly vote against someone who seeks to fix the system rather than fix the people. Well, there you have it, one Trump supporter, and why." So if that’s not one of your Trump arguments why did you say it was? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/262 "2016-10-28T01:02:30Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Mind providing the full quote? There are two such instances I recall. One was speaking to BLM group where she misinterpreted the point the young man was making—it doesn’t read well but transcript as spoken you can find on youtube. She said, “Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems—” and was cut off for not understanding. (Transcript here: [All Tips Finder | Find Best Tips And Tricks On Internet](http://politic365.com/2015/08/18/full-transcript-hillary-clinton-convo-with-blacklivesmatter/)) The second event was on a Steve Harvey show, she has the transcript on her own website (here: [https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/20/icymi-hillary-clinton-appears-on-the-steve-harvey-morning-show/](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/20/icymi-hillary-clinton-appears-on-the-steve-harvey-morning-show/)) where she says, “And so maybe I can, by speaking directly to white people, say, look, this is not who we are. We’ve got to do everything possible to improve policing, to go right at implicit bias.” > [@](#): > > The “deplorables” are specifically the racist, sexist, and xenophobic elements of Trump’s base, like the nice lady with “88” tattooed on her hand referenced earlier. Not a label I personally would claim for myself. We don’t listen the same, this much is certain. Half of Trump supporters belong in that basket. It’s cold comfort to think that maybe I won the coin toss in her mind. And how would she tell anyway? Don’t we all look the same? Maybe I just accidentally support Trump, like what if T-R-U-M-P actually spelled ‘Cruz’ (with apologies to Revenge of the Nerds). My coworker _loved_ it and thought she didn’t go far enough, he told me it’s at least three quarters. Then he invited me over for Thanksgiving dinner. I can only imagine what wild percentage **GIGObuster** would put in her place, 90%? I’m not talking white genocide or anything. The Democratic party simply doesn’t want me around. I got the message loud and clear, if not from the candidates, from their surrogates in the media (white people need to own Dylan Roof for some reason). The GOP doesn’t want me either, as this election has shown. Hell, even Hitler-Romney doesn’t want me, and I am not part of the 47%! That’s fine, I am only promised a vote, nothing more. I’ll probably just write in LOTUS on the next election’s ballot, he seems as good of a guy as any. > [@drad dog](#): > > So if that’s not one of your Trump arguments why did you say it was? I said “There are a few reasons why, mostly pro-Trump, some anti-Hillary, some anti-Democrat.” I assumed readers could distinguish which were which since I specifically mentioned Trump policies in some but not others, namely the one which has drawn your ire. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/263 "2016-10-28T01:31:33Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > There are two such instances I recall. One was speaking to BLM group where she misinterpreted the point the young man was making—it doesn’t read well but transcript as spoken you can find on youtube. She said, “Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems—” and was cut off for not understanding. OK, I found it. The full quote undermines your point: “If you don’t tell black people what we need to do, then we won’t tell you all what you need to do,” he told Clinton. “This is and has always been a white problem of violence. There’s not much that we can do to stop the violence against us.” “Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems,” Clinton replied. So she’s saying the opposite of what you suggested earlier–she’s using rhetoric against the guy who said it was solely a white problem. > [@](#): > > The second event was on a Steve Harvey show, she has the transcript on her own website (here: [https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/20/icymi-hillary-clinton-appears-on-the-steve-harvey-morning-show/](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/20/icymi-hillary-clinton-appears-on-the-steve-harvey-morning-show/)) where she says, “And so maybe I can, by speaking directly to white people, say, look, this is not who we are. We’ve got to do everything possible to improve policing, to go right at implicit bias.” Yeah, racism against minorities is an actual problem. > [@](#): > > We don’t listen the same, this much is certain. Half of Trump supporters belong in that basket. It’s cold comfort to think that maybe I won the coin toss in her mind. She apologized for the “half” comment. But she’s right–some of Trump’s supporters are racists. No one seriously denies that > [@](#): > > And how would she tell anyway? Don’t we all look the same? She could probably just look for any swastika tattoos, like the nice lady referenced earlier with the “88” tattoo on her hand. > [@](#): > > My coworker _loved_ it and thought she didn’t go far enough, he told me it’s at least three quarters. It’s probably not 3/4. But it’s probably not 0 either. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/264 "2016-10-28T01:40:29Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > We don’t listen the same, this much is certain. Half of Trump supporters belong in that basket. It’s cold comfort to think that maybe I won the coin toss in her mind. And how would she tell anyway? Don’t we all look the same? Maybe I just accidentally support Trump, like what if T-R-U-M-P actually spelled ‘Cruz’ (with apologies to Revenge of the Nerds). > > My coworker _loved_ it and thought she didn’t go far enough, he told me it’s at least three quarters. Then he invited me over for Thanksgiving dinner. I can only imagine what wild percentage **GIGObuster** would put in her place, 90%? And you will be wrong again, I do think that the numbers do show that [close to half are indeed deplorable.](http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables) And the other half are just thinking that they will control the growing beast that they are feeding. As pointed before, they are smarter, but not the followers of the better angels of their nature. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/265 "2016-10-28T01:40:40Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > There are two such instances I recall. One was speaking to BLM group where she misinterpreted the point the young man was making—it doesn’t read well but transcript as spoken you can find on youtube. She said, “Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems—” and was cut off for not understanding. (Transcript here: [All Tips Finder | Find Best Tips And Tricks On Internet](http://politic365.com/2015/08/18/full-transcript-hillary-clinton-convo-with-blacklivesmatter/)) > > The second event was on a Steve Harvey show, she has the transcript on her own website (here: [https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/20/icymi-hillary-clinton-appears-on-the-steve-harvey-morning-show/](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/09/20/icymi-hillary-clinton-appears-on-the-steve-harvey-morning-show/)) where she says, “And so maybe I can, by speaking directly to white people, say, look, this is not who we are. We’ve got to do everything possible to improve policing, to go right at implicit bias.” > > We don’t listen the same, this much is certain. Half of Trump supporters belong in that basket. It’s cold comfort to think that maybe I won the coin toss in her mind. And how would she tell anyway? Don’t we all look the same? Maybe I just accidentally support Trump, like what if T-R-U-M-P actually spelled ‘Cruz’ (with apologies to Revenge of the Nerds). > > My coworker _loved_ it and thought she didn’t go far enough, he told me it’s at least three quarters. Then he invited me over for Thanksgiving dinner. I can only imagine what wild percentage **GIGObuster** would put in her place, 90%? > > I’m not talking white genocide or anything. The Democratic party simply doesn’t want me around. I got the message loud and clear, if not from the candidates, from their surrogates in the media (white people need to own Dylan Roof for some reason). The GOP doesn’t want me either, as this election has shown. Hell, even Hitler-Romney doesn’t want me, and I am not part of the 47%! That’s fine, I am only promised a vote, nothing more. I’ll probably just write in LOTUS on the next election’s ballot, he seems as good of a guy as any. > > I said “There are a few reasons why, mostly pro-Trump, some anti-Hillary, some anti-Democrat.” I assumed readers could distinguish which were which since I specifically mentioned Trump policies in some but not others, namely the one which has drawn your ire. All the hundreds of words you have written here are in service of rationalizing voting for Trump, no matter what he actually did or stands for. If Bernie sanders said something one time: well you can’t be a democrat then, it’s clear; (if you actually were.) But if your guy said today “Why even hold the election” would you give Hillary or Bernie, a pass on saying that? A preoccupation with white grievances, as an American, in your reasons, is a clear message. You don’t seem to know you’re sending it. That shit don’t flush man. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/266 "2016-10-28T01:45:13Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And you will be wrong again, I do think that the numbers do show that [close to half are indeed deplorable.](http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables) And the other half are just thinking that they will control the growing beast that they are feeding. As pointed before, they are smarter, but not the followers of the better angels of their nature. Who is smarter: the Trump voters who believe Trump will solve America’s problems; or the Trump voters who think Trump is just saying shit to get the rubes to vote for him (Cause it’s the way it’s done) and that when he gets in he will be the person they want him to be and solve _ **their** _ problems? (The greater Rube theory?) ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/267 "2016-10-28T02:30:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > So she’s saying the opposite of what you suggested earlier–she’s using rhetoric against the guy who said it was solely a white problem. Except that wasn’t what he said, and why he cut her off and corrected her. You hear her using rhetoric back at him, but I hear her reflexively blame white people. > [@](#): > > Yeah, racism against minorities is an actual problem. Apparently not. Apparently implicit bias is the problem. I can’t help it, **Evil Economist** , I was just born that way. It’s the new original sin. > [@](#): > > She apologized for the “half” comment. I’m afraid you don’t understand. I am trying not to write novellas in response to short comments and this may cause problems. It isn’t that I thought she literally meant half. I am dead sure Hillary Clinton does not think half of Trump supporters are racist xenophobes. There is no way someone with this kind of belief about the American people would even _want_ to be President. I’m pretty sure people with that kind of opinion have their political aspirations end at stink bombs and molotov cocktails or at least harshly-worded hashtags. But she’s willing to say it, thinks it will make a positive difference, and play well with her base. Maybe the pitch is too high for you to hear, but I heard it loud and clear on youtube, on NPR, in the office from my coworkers. It played well. I don’t live in whatever magical pro-racist area all these 88ers live in that you’re scared of, I live in a permablue state. And I know what I hear from the people in my environment. They got the message and repeated to me just in case I didn’t quite catch it. And you can see here in this thread quite a few more times it’s popped up, just in case. > [@](#): > > She could probably just look for any swastika tattoos, like the nice lady referenced earlier with the “88” tattoo on her hand. Would that it were so. > [@](#): > > It’s probably not 3/4. But it’s probably not 0 either. Trump’s message has consistently been that the system is broken and the political class is at fault. Not Muslims. Not Mexicans. Not white people. Not Jews. Not black people. I’m not even sure he’s blamed unions for anything but I haven’t watched every single rally he’s given. I cannot think of a single instance where a person’s color, creed, or even political affiliation was to blame for the problems he sees in the US. No one but the political class is to blame. When he was at that Catholic charity dinner and dropped the c-word and the audience hung their heads, they knew what he was talking about, and it wasn’t brown people, it wasn’t women, it wasn’t immigrants. When he said “corrupt” the blood rushed to their ears. This is what I hear from Trump. This is what speaks to me. When Elizabeth Warren says it, she says it to the nobodies who aren’t the ones involved in the corruption. When Trump says it, he says it right to their faces. If that’s an act, then my disbelief is as well-suspended as the people in that crowd. > [@drad dog](#): > > Who is smarter: the Trump voters who believe Trump will solve America’s problems; or the Trump voters who think Trump is just saying shit to get the rubes to vote for him (Cause it’s the way it’s done) and that when he gets in he will be the person they want him to be and solve their problems? (The greater Rube theory?) You, for having the sense to see through this ruse, of course. > [@](#): > > A preoccupation with white grievances, as an American, in your reasons, is a clear message. You don’t seem to know you’re sending it. Which “white grievances” are you talking about? I can’t wait for you to speak for white people. Or do you consider yourself white? Maybe it’s “us white people,” I love that one. Please, divide me more from my fellow citizen, this will surely break down my “rationalizations” and show me what a fool I am for rejecting the Democrats in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/268 "2016-10-28T03:02:06Z")
Well, Trump is a divider. > **[How Trump's Candidacy Has Divided Conservative Media](https://www.npr.org/2016/10/03/496397806/how-trump-s-candidacy-has-divided-conservative-media)** > > "There has never been a Republican nominee who has split the party and its media personalities" in the way that Donald Trump has, says New York Times reporter Robert Draper. > [@](#): > > GROSS: George Will who’s one of the senior conservative columnists and pundits is no longer a registered Republican. What was, like, the last straw for him? > > DRAPER: There were a series of steps. I mean, this was indeed a process, Terry. He had been chagrined for some time that Trump was even a contestant for the Republican nomination, and I’ve used the word contestant advisedly because this guy, you know, after all, was a reality TV show star. And Will didn’t take him seriously, then realized by the end of last year that he should be taken seriously because Trump was ahead of the polls just before the Iowa caucus. > > Will, at that point, wrote that the Republican Party’s number-one priority should be to deny Trump the nomination. He didn’t say this explicitly, but when I pressed him, he said that, yes, by that he meant number-one priority, even if it cost the Republicans the general election. Once Trump actually managed to win the nomination, Will was deeply chagrined by this. But then another series of circumstances occurred, which I write about in my story, that ultimately compelled him to move away from his party. > > He had a dinner party at his house. Will often has these. They’re off the record functions with a guest of honor. In this case, it was Ted Cruz one week after Cruz had bowed out of the primaries, in effect, giving the nomination to Trump. There were several people at this dinner party. One of them was the conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham. And though, generally, these are meant to be genteel affairs, and in this particular case, was meant to be one because Cruz had just come off a really brutal and humiliating experience. > > Ingraham, nonetheless, took this opportunity to harangue Cruz saying that he needed to throw his support behind Donald Trump right now. She said to him, you know, what kind of conservative leader will you be if you don’t do this? Will was really despondent as a result of what took place at this party, and then a couple of weeks later, Speaker Paul Ryan threw his support behind Donald Trump. The day after that happened and after an evening of drinking martinis at home, George Will walked into his office and instructed his assistant to de-register him from the Republican Party saying to his assistant, this is not my party anymore. > [@](#): > > On the other side of the spectrum, the never-trump types are led by conservative columnist for The Washington Post, George Will and someone who is very different from Will, but finds himself a strange bedfellow on this particular matter, Erick Erickson, a conservative activist who helped found [redstate.com](http://redstate.com) and who has his own radio talk show. > > There are also a number of important regional talk-radio types such as Charlie Sykes in Wisconsin and Steve Deace in Iowa, who have been against Trump from the outset. And there are columnists who have written disparagingly of Trump, Kathleen Parker, Charles Krauthammer and, of course, Bill Kristol of The Weekly Standard, in addition to the National Review, which published an entire issue in January of this year called Against Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/269 "2016-10-28T03:08:14Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Except that wasn’t what he said, and why he cut her off and corrected her. You hear her using rhetoric back at him, but I hear her reflexively blame white people. I don’t hear that at all, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. > [@](#): > > Apparently not. Apparently implicit bias is the problem. I can’t help it, **Evil Economist** , I was just born that way. It’s the new original sin. I’m a high income white man. Maybe 10 years ago I lived in a nice high-income neighborhood, driving a nice car, working at a respected consulting company. I had a black coworker; lived in a close-by neighborhood, same job, same income, equivalent car. We went to work around the same time, went home around the same time. I’ve actually had a couple fender benders (I admit I’m not on the right side of the driving distribution curve)–I don’t think he had any. Over the course of a year he was pulled over 6 times. I wasn’t pulled over at all. Consulting companies tend to churn people out, and recruiters are always swarming around. I’d get cold calls from headhunters; he (with an identifiably black name) wouldn’t. Louis CK does a bit about how he wouldn’t travel in time if he was black. It’s funny 'cause it’s true. The simple fact is that our culture is biased toward white men. I’ve seen it. Hell, I’ve benefited from it. The fact that I’ve benefited from being white doesn’t mean I’m a bad person, but it does mean that minorities are, by definition, worse off because of that bias. Not just the minorities, but also society, would benefit if that bias were gone. > [@](#): > > It isn’t that I thought she literally meant half. I am dead sure Hillary Clinton does not think half of Trump supporters are racist xenophobes. There is no way someone with this kind of belief about the American people would even _want_ to be President. I’m pretty sure people with that kind of opinion have their political aspirations end at stink bombs and molotov cocktails or at least harshly-worded hashtags. But she’s willing to say it, thinks it will make a positive difference, and play well with her base. Maybe the pitch is too high for you to hear, but I heard it loud and clear on youtube, on NPR, in the office from my coworkers. It played well. I don’t live in whatever magical pro-racist area all these 88ers live in that you’re scared of, I live in a permablue state. And I know what I hear from the people in my environment. They got the message and repeated to me just in case I didn’t quite catch it. And you can see here in this thread quite a few more times it’s popped up, just in case. It is a simple factual statement that some seriously shitty people support Trump. Racists, white supremacists, bigots, etc. That’s not even up for debate. Not all his supporters are bad people, but some of them absolutely are. I think you’re asking too much to expect a Hillary Clinton to pretend not to see the racists speaking up for Trump just because pointing out reality might upset a Trump voter. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/270 "2016-10-28T03:12:25Z")
[quote=“erislover, post:213, topic:761989”] [ul][li]One reason is the undercurrent of **civic nationalism** that’s been so strong in his campaign.[/ul][/li][/quote] He does not promote civic nationalism. I cannot recall a single instance of him promoting civic responsibility. He promotes only the nationalism that declares "my country right or wrong (and we don’t ever look closely to see whether we are wrong). [quote=“erislover, post:213, topic:761989”] [ul][li]Another reason is the **battle between a nation of laws and a nation of exceptions**. One frame that I’ve been unable to shake in this election is the insistance by the HRC/DNC camp that, roughly, Trump is bad because he follows the law. He protected his assets using bankruptcy filings? Bad. He took deductions on his tax returns? [/ul][/li][/quote] Hiring illegal aliens to lower labor costs on his construction projects? Bad. Discriminating against blacks and Latinos in renting practices? Bad. Running a scam “university”? Bad. Encouraging his followers to resort to violence? Bad. I am not sure where you think Trump is being lawful, but I have not seen any evidence of it. It is not his taking of legal exemptions on his taxes that has brought condemnation, but his mocking of people who do not have enough wealth to pull the same trick. (And your claim that Clinton broke the law regarding her e-mail servers is opinion, not fact. Finding an attorney to attempt a prosecution might not be difficult, given the number of attorney’s who oppose Clinton. However, as noted in multiple threads on this topic on the SDMB, while people have been reprimanded and even fired for activities that parallel Clinton’s, no one has been prosecuted for them.) [quote=“erislover, post:213, topic:761989”] [ul][li]The democratic party has made it 100% clear that white people are the enemy of the United States in ways I can hardly comprehend. New language has been dredged up from academic welfare recipients to leverage guilt at the state of the nation onto white people. Even if I were to agree with this in some abstract sense I am not born an enemy of anyone just by being white and I will roundly and continually reject any party which whispers this garbage, even though often it’s more than a whisper. Trump, on the other hand, has not laid the blame of the state of the US on anyone other than the political class. Even if I disagreed with Trump on this matter, which I don’t, I could not possibly vote against someone who seeks to fix the system rather than fix the people. [/ul][/li][/quote] Trump proposes no “fixes” and your claim about white people being the enemy of the U.S. is just silly. I have not ever found a statement from any Democratic candidate or office holder that seemed to indicate that I was the enemy. That is nothing more than the pseudo-populist rhetoric of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/271 "2016-10-28T03:22:18Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I think you’re asking too much to expect a Hillary Clinton to pretend not to see the racists speaking up for Trump just because pointing out reality might upset a Trump voter. Is this what you think I’m asking? Her to pretend racism doesn’t exist? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/272 "2016-10-28T03:35:18Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Is this what you think I’m asking? Her to pretend racism doesn’t exist? She said that some deplorable people support Trump; racists, sexists, and xenophobes. I think that someone who disagrees with that statement either: 1) doesn’t think some of the people who support Trump are racists (which is factually wrong), or 2) is one of the people she was talking about, or 3) thinks racism is a good thing, or 4) agrees with her but thinks she shouldn’t have pointed it out. Am I missing an alternative? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/273 "2016-10-28T03:39:34Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > Which “white grievances” are you talking about? I can’t wait for you to speak for white people. Or do you consider yourself white? Maybe it’s “us white people,” I love that one. Please, divide me more from my fellow citizen, this will surely break down my “rationalizations” and show me what a fool I am for rejecting the Democrats in 2016. The ones you cited and keep affirming. Look up. You got to get serious: The rationale for voting Trump is a thin tissue compared to the white grievance culture underneath. It keeps on slipping out. How do you know if I’m white or not? Do you assume everyone on here is? Do you only address white people? Why does it matter? So how was it _ **me** _ proposing to speak for white people? Is this just Trumpian word salad/ projection or what? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/274 "2016-10-28T03:52:43Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Hiring illegal aliens to lower labor costs on his construction projects? Bad. I thought we loved our illegal aliens, don’t we folks? Path to citizenship. Sanctuary cities. I guess illegals know how much they can count on the anti-Trumpers. > [@](#): > > I am not sure where you think Trump is being lawful, but I have not seen any evidence of it. That’s odd, since you quoted me pointing out what I was talking about. > [@](#): > > And your claim that Clinton broke the law regarding her e-mail servers is opinion, not fact. It’s a fact by anyone willing to look. It’s my opinion, and others’, including people that don’t support Trump, that she should be prosecuted for it, but special rules for special people. Maybe Hillary got my serving of white privilege that **Evil Economist** pointed out. Capone just needed a better tax attorney that’s all, a better accountant. Everything else is opinion. Sure. > [@](#): > > your claim about white people being the enemy of the U.S. is just silly. I don’t think white people are the enemy. The DNC just wants some people to think this. And they do. Or is it only distasteful Trump supporters that reflect on a candidacy at the SDMB? > [@Evil Economist](#): > > Am I missing an alternative? I mean, I’m not saying all illegal immigrants are bad, some of them, I assume, are nice people. What was the popular interpretation of this statement? Which of your four cases covers this? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/275 "2016-10-28T03:56:41Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > The ones you cited and keep affirming. Look up. You got to get serious: The rationale for voting Trump is a thin tissue compared to the white grievance culture underneath. It keeps on slipping out. If you stop asking me about it I’ll stop talking about it. It was one paragraph _you_ picked out and wondered about, and now you use the fact that I answered a direct question against me? What the hell? > [@](#): > > How do you know if I’m white or not? I didn’t. Did you even read what I said? > [@](#): > > Why does it matter? ??? > [@](#): > > So how was it _ **me** _ proposing to speak for white people? Is this just Trumpian word salad/ projection or what? The word you used was “white grievances” and I would ask again what that is supposed to mean. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/276 "2016-10-28T04:00:22Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > It’s a fact by anyone willing to look. It’s my opinion, and others’, including people that don’t support Trump, that she should be prosecuted for it, but special rules for special people. Maybe Hillary got my serving of white privilege that **Evil Economist** pointed out. Capone just needed a better tax attorney that’s all, a better accountant. Everything else is opinion. Sure. Your opinion may be that she should have been prosecuted, but the opinion of the people who actually investigated, and who had the training, education, and experience to make an informed and knowledgeable decision, was that she should not be prosecuted. Could you clarify your education, experience, and training, so that we could compare? If your abilities are superior to the combined experience, knowledge, etc. of the 30 FBI agents who actually investigated the case, then perhaps we \*should \*re-open the investigation. But, just to clarify: under rule of law, which I have heard some people are in favor of, we don’t arbitrarily prosecute people just because we disagree with their politics. > [@](#): > > I mean, I’m not saying all illegal immigrants are bad, some of them, I assume, are nice people. What was the popular interpretation of this statement? Which of your four cases covers this? I believe what you are doing is what’s called a “pivot.” Which is a way of avoiding answering my question. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/277 "2016-10-28T04:11:50Z")
Trump supporters: many of Trump’s detractors don’t trust him with exclusive power over America’s nuclear arsenal. Why are they wrong not to? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/278 "2016-10-28T04:39:04Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I believe what you are doing is what’s called a “pivot.” Which is a way of avoiding answering my question. It was rhetorical. I didn’t expect an answer because I know you are capable of answering it yourself, just like you already know I won’t answer your other questions. Hillary Clinton 1) had classified information stored improperly 2) transferred it to other people without clearance 3) had multiple devices instead of what was originally claimed as just one “for convenience” 4) deleted emails while they under subpoena. By any stretch of the imagination this is “gross negligence.” Now the most respected and upstanding FBI director Comey said, “There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation.” So reasonable people would know you don’t house classified material on your home server, reasonable people would know you don’t give classified material to people without clearance, reasonable people would know the Secretary of State would be privy to this kind of information, and reasonable people would know that these topics in particular would be something a person in that position would know shouldn’t be discussed in exactly the manner she was discussing them. Then, suddenly, Comey ran out of reasonable people. Couldn’t find a soul. Used them all up. Geez guise I know it’s really negligent and all but I just can’t see that she intended to do all this, the server fell into her house from a passing truck and Huma accidentally set bags on fire and blackberrys are known for vanishing and, heh, you know how untrustworthy the Post Office is that they sent that laptop. LOL The only experience I would have that compares was the time I drank myself into a blackout near my 21st birthday. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/279 "2016-10-28T04:43:22Z")
> [@erislover](#): > > If you stop asking me about it I’ll stop talking about it. It was one paragraph _you_ picked out and wondered about, and now you use the fact that I answered a direct question against me? What the hell? > I didn’t. Did you even read what I said? > ??? > The word you used was “white grievances” and I would ask again what that is supposed to mean. ? I don’t want you to stop talking about anything. It’s your account. Honestly I didn’t understand what you were trying to say. Made no sense, based on what I said. White grievance is part of your rationale for voting Trump. I didn’t put that on you. It was not in answer to a question other than the OP. Why wouldn’t you want to talk about it some more? It’s your POV. White nationalism is not something to just throw in as a reason and then get bent out of shape about people thinking that it’s an important part of your platform, and asking about it. Unless this is just a trumpy exercise in truthiness. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989/280 "2016-10-28T04:49:17Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > White nationalism is not something to just throw in as a reason I disavow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-here-is-voting-for-trump/761989.md?page=15)