# Who is Melania Trump's graffiti jacket aimed at? "I really don't care. Do U" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 21, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545 "2018-06-21T23:43:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/41 "2018-06-22T03:58:51Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I thought she was wearing the jacket when she boarded her plane in Washington, then not wearing it in Texas, then wearing it again when she got off the plane after flying home. If that’s correct, the temperature in Texas isn’t really relevant. But it probably wasn’t classic jacket weather in D.C. today, either. > > My questions are: > > What’s the point in wearing a jacket with anything written on the back of it? Has this become a fashion thing recently, independent of what the actual words say? > > What’s the point of going to Texas to investigate a situation that’s supposedly already fixed? Trump signed some executive order yesterday. There’s no point in gathering information that you’re not going to act on. Seems a perfect example of this administration’s “ready, fire, aim” approach to policy. I live 4 hours from DC, and the temperate in this region wasn’t exactly chilly enough to wear a jacket. Conditions aside, wearing a jacket with that kind of message, coupled with the appearances of Nielsen and Miller at Mexican restaurants, is clearly triangular trollery. Authoritarians have one thing in common: they create their own reality, and they are able to do this because they know how to create information storms, and they know how to manipulate people’s feelings and thoughts by what they express. What people need to understand is that in Weimar Germany, there were people who said “The Nazis could never actually take over.” There were people in Venezuela who said “Chavez couldn’t actually become a dictator.” There were people in Turkey who thought “Surely, Erdogan will be gone in a few years.” There were people in Russia who thought “Putin will be a good shock to the system but we can elect someone else in 4-8 years.” What we see again and again, is that people in democratic countries, democratically elect leaders who are not democratic, believing that they are a necessary “shock” to the system but that once that shock has been delivered, the people will rule again. As these examples have clearly shown… **it doesn’t necessarily work out that way.** ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/42 "2018-06-22T04:13:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > As an experienced model, she just didn’t throw this on. This is the same woman who wore snakeskin stiletto heels to visit flood-ravaged Texas in September. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/43 "2018-06-22T04:24:04Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > She wore it on a specific trip, so the only interpretation that makes sense is that it was about that specific trip. Trying to claim it’s about the media is an obvious stretch, as the time to wear that would be some media-only event. > > I think the only favorable interpretation is that she’s trying to hurt Trump himself, and sacrificing herself to do it. This is actually my impression too. I get the impression that she is at the point where she just can’t stand the fat sonofabitch she calls “husband.” She hates him for the humiliation he’s brought upon her and her son in regard to the Stormy Daniels story. She hates him for running for president and opening up their lives to the world. But I’m pretty sure she can’t leave at this point. She seems to have made it very clear she’s not going to be seen in public with him (much, if at all), not travel with him, not show any public support for him or his presidency. But what can she really do? So her first big public appearance in more than a month? Visiting the poor encamped kids that 98% of the human beings on the planet agree her husband stole from their impoverished, desperate parents. And wear a totally inappropriate item of clothing that embarrasses him and causes him and his communications team to call a special meeting to “fix” the backlash. She probably feels pretty powerless at this point. She hides out, everyone whispers. She speaks out, every mocks. And Donald Fucking Trump is the person responsible for her situation. So what can she do? Embarrass him. Act un-First-Ladylike. Perhaps-- oh it’s almost too delicious to even consider-- maybe even get him to lash out at her on Twitter at some point. Just fucking disgrace the motherfucker, even more than he’s doing himself. Play into it. He’s so into image, that’s really her power over him. For her next appearance, she should show up in an “I’m With Her” t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/44 "2018-06-22T04:42:39Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Over 4 decades, Donald Trump has mastered the art of manipulating people through messaging. No, he hasn’t. Most people see right through Trump. The only people he can manipulate are really gullible people. Trump isn’t playing 3D Chess. Trump hasn’t shown he is capable of playing 2D Chess. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/45 "2018-06-22T05:24:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She’s Donald Trump’s bitch. She will do what she’s told to do. Just like John Kelly, just like Kirstjen Nielsen, just like pretty much everyone else who spends more than a few days in Trump’s orbit. I heard an interview on Fresh Air today of a writer for Vanity Fair, Emily Jane Fox, who has studied the Trumps intensively and who has a new book out called “Born Trump.” She alleges that Melania is very strong willed and never does anything she doesn’t want to do. For what that’s worth. She does have options in her life, after all. She could walk out and make millions with a tell-all book, and live happily ever after. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/46 "2018-06-22T05:50:59Z")
She didn’t exactly ‘Be Best’, did she? (Seriously, WTF does that even mean?) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/47 "2018-06-22T06:00:28Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > All I can say is, thank God she was wearing [sleeves](https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6986019&page=1)!! Lawdy, lawdy, why I do declare. Is the vapors getting all vapory in here? > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > DJT says it’s for the fake news people. How stupid. This just galls me. Will this nightmare ever end? Next election. Thank gawd for democracy. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/48 "2018-06-22T06:08:48Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > You know, even if she didn’t mean anything by the message- which seems unlikely- can I just say that it’s kind of a low-class jacket for the First Lady of the United States to wear? I mean, I’m sure it was really expensive, but so were the outfits on The Jersey Shore. I agree. I would be pissed if my 14 year old daughter wore something like that. It is deplorable that the First Lady would show up in public with something so low class. Who even buys clothes like that? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/49 "2018-06-22T11:43:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, he hasn’t. Most people see right through Trump. The only people he can manipulate are really gullible people. > > Trump isn’t playing 3D Chess. Trump hasn’t shown he is capable of playing 2D Chess. You don’t have to have everyone believe you to manipulate the press; you just have to get people to think about something else. Even his supporters know he lies, and certainly his detractors do. Whether you want to admit it or not, he knows how to play people. Whether it’s a conscious masterful strategy or just a byproduct of his natural self doesn’t matter. The result is the same: he distracts people, he gets them talking about things that he wants them to talk about, and he gets people to stop talking (if only for a moment) about things he doesn’t want them to talk about. Trump is nothing without media, without attention. Trump isn’t a successful businessman, but there’s no denying that he’s fooled enough people over the years into believing that he is. He’s one of the great con-artists of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/50 "2018-06-22T11:50:12Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Option #3 The Jacket maker paid her big bucks and she is too clueless/greedy to care otherwise. While I don’t personally know don Amancio, I’m reasonably sure that’s very close to the last thing he’d want to do. Anything that would count as “later” is illegal in over 190 countries. > [@dalej42](#): > > That doesn’t seem too likely. Zara is a Spanish company without a huge USA store presence and that jacket isn’t part of their current collection. They’re fast fashion similar to H&M. H&M wishes. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/51 "2018-06-22T13:58:59Z")
I’m watching a [documentary of Melania’s recent visit to a detention center.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaGNUZ6m0lI) In broken English, at the 1-minute mark, she inquires how long the children are detained; is told that the current average is 42 to 45 days. She then nods her head and says “That’s great.” I wonder if others are over-thinking Melania and the other Trumps. Wasn’t it William of Occam who wrote “Don’t go looking for complex explanations if simple stupidity is a sufficient explanation” ? ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/52 "2018-06-22T14:25:54Z")
I know English isn’t her first language, but that was very stupid and somebody should have told her that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/53 "2018-06-22T15:13:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You don’t have to have everyone believe you to manipulate the press; you just have to get people to think about something else. Even his supporters know he lies, and certainly his detractors do. Whether you want to admit it or not, he knows how to play people. Whether it’s a conscious masterful strategy or just a byproduct of his natural self doesn’t matter. The result is the same: he distracts people, he gets them talking about things that he wants them to talk about, and he gets people to stop talking (if only for a moment) about things he doesn’t want them to talk about. > > Trump is nothing without media, without attention. Trump isn’t a successful businessman, but there’s no denying that he’s fooled enough people over the years into believing that he is. He’s one of the great con-artists of all time. I disagree. I think becoming President was the biggest mistake Trump ever made. I’m not talking about the damage he’s doing to America; I’m talking about the damage he’s done to himself. If Trump hadn’t become President, he would have had a decent legacy. He would be known as a successful businessman and television star. Even running for President would have helped his image. But he got elected. And that cancels out everything he did before becoming President. Nobody remembers the successful early careers of men like James Buchanan or Herbert Hoover. They were both highly respected men - until they became President. And then their failures in the Presidency defined them. That’s what’s happened to Trump. A hundred years from now, he’ll still be remembered. But he’ll be remembered as a guy who failed as President. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/54 "2018-06-22T15:24:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I disagree. I think becoming President was the biggest mistake Trump ever made. I’m not talking about the damage he’s doing to America; I’m talking about the damage he’s done to himself. > > If Trump hadn’t become President, he would have had a decent legacy. He would be known as a successful businessman and television star. Even running for President would have helped his image. > > But he got elected. And that cancels out everything he did before becoming President. Nobody remembers the successful early careers of men like James Buchanan or Herbert Hoover. They were both highly respected men - until they became President. And then their failures in the Presidency defined them. > > That’s what’s happened to Trump. A hundred years from now, he’ll still be remembered. But he’ll be remembered as a guy who failed as President. Yes. Wasn’t it Donald Jr. who spoke of how glum their election “victory” celebration was? Melania had tears, “and they weren’t tears of joy.” _ **Trump never wanted to win.** _ That’s the mind-boggling irony of this catastrophe. He hoped to come close of course and not be known as the buffoon that went down in a landslide. But he didn’t think the nightmare scenario had a chance of coming true. He and his family are trying to make the most of it, of course, scarfing up a few extra millions. (He even has WH staff pimping Ivanka’s apparel lines. :smack: ) Unfortunately, he _will_ want to win re-election. He doesn’t want to spend his final years as a disgraced laughing-stock _without the ability to pardon._ ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/55 "2018-06-22T16:04:10Z")
No, no, no, he would NOT have had a “decent legacy.” He’s been a shit his entire life. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/56 "2018-06-22T16:18:22Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > So is the President telling us that what comes out of the office of the First Lady is not to be believed? Is, in fact, fake news? Of course, or at least the media reporting that that is what they said is fake news. Half the stuff that comes out of the white house, or at least on Trumps twitter feed is denied as fake news the next day. You have just been woefully lax in exercising your [doublethink](https://study.com/academy/lesson/doublethink-in-1984-definition-examples.html)muscles. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/57 "2018-06-22T17:13:01Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > No, no, no, he would NOT have had a “decent legacy.” He’s been a shit his entire life. Come now, let’s be honest here. Back prior to the election/presidency debacle Trump was believed by many to be successful, he had amazingly good brand saturation, and the dude kept being asked to cameo in movies. Sure, there were people who were aware of his (many) business failures, but the populace-in-general didn’t think of him as a crooked incompetent moron. That…has changed. And will change a lot more when his current fanbase finds a different ‘hero’ to latch on to and needn’t bother praising him anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/58 "2018-06-22T17:32:39Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Come now, let’s be honest here. Back prior to the election/presidency debacle Trump was believed by many to be successful, he had amazingly good brand saturation, and the dude kept being asked to cameo in movies. Sure, there were people who were aware of his (many) business failures, but the populace-in-general didn’t think of him as a crooked incompetent moron. That…has changed. And will change a lot more when his current fanbase finds a different ‘hero’ to latch on to and needn’t bother praising him anymore. He might have been believed to not be a shit - but he actually was a shit, as **Ukulele Ike** said. And a bigoted shit at that. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/59 "2018-06-22T17:43:32Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > He might have been believed to not be a shit - but he actually was a shit, as **Ukulele Ike** said. And a bigoted shit at that. Well sure - but we were talking about his _legacy_. One’s legacy need only have a passing resemblance to the past reality - if even that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545/60 "2018-06-22T18:23:08Z")
Donald Trump has never been good at management - he was always excellent at marketing and selling. That’s what he does. He’s good at creating the perception of greatness, even when he’s flat out awful at whatever he’s pursuing. A lot of people see right through Trump, but a lot of other people do not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-melania-trumps-graffiti-jacket-aimed-at-i-really-dont-care-do-u/816545.md?page=4)