# who is my mommy? sw **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 11, 2005, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816 "2005-06-11T00:20:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/21 "2005-06-12T19:11:22Z")
Yep-Leia’s mother was the Queen of Alderaan and her father was the Prince Consort, or Viceroy. And yes, her father was also a senator. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/22 "2005-06-12T20:19:44Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m not buying any explanations given. The Padme/Leia connection is a HUGE freaking hole Well, of course it is. It’s Huge Freakin’ Hole #46 (HFH 46 to those in the know.) These are all things that Lucas will correct in the next revision. STAR WARS has been full of holes, beginning with EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, when Lucas unaccountably decided to make DV be LS’s father (despite the complete lack of hint thereof in STAR WARS, despite Obi-Wan’s description, despite Uncle Owen’s description, despite Vader’s seeming lack of knowledge of any child, despite etc.) So, the whole thing has been done ex-post facto, and the holes are large enough to drive a star destroyer through. So, the speculation is all based on: how will he correct it when he redigitalizes all the older stuff. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/23 "2005-06-12T20:42:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Yep-Leia’s mother was the Queen of Alderaan and her father was the Prince Consort, or Viceroy. > And yes, her father was also a senator. I didn’t know this. Was it from the EU? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/24 "2005-06-12T20:51:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Certainly it’s not that big a stretch that if the baby is a force-sensitive super-baby, she could feel that Padme was very sad (in fact dying of sadness). Yeah, it is. Especially when the even more force-sensitive super brother has no such memories. And don’t say that Leia has the memories because she was in the womb for a whopping 17 seconds longer. That’s _serious_ reaching. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/25 "2005-06-12T21:14:43Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > I didn’t know this. Was it from the EU? It is, (I believe it’s mentioned in the novelization), but it’s also confirmed in the Visual Dictionary and on the official site. The Queen’s name is Breha Antilles Organa. ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/26 "2005-06-13T00:50:02Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Yeah, it is. Especially when the even more force-sensitive super brother has no such memories. > > And don’t say that Leia has the memories because she was in the womb for a whopping 17 seconds longer. That’s _serious_ reaching. Doesn’t Luke remember her last words? ---
**Author:** ![Yumblie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/76d3ee/32.png) [@Yumblie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yumblie)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/27 "2005-06-13T00:50:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Yeah, it is. Especially when the even more force-sensitive super brother has no such memories. > > And don’t say that Leia has the memories because she was in the womb for a whopping 17 seconds longer. That’s _serious_ reaching. No one who witnesses an event remembers it exactly the same way. Maybe Leia remembers her mom while Luke just doesn’t. People remember different things. It’s hardly anything to get worked up over, especially when there are plenty of other things to nit pick. Actually, does Luke ever say that he doesn’t remember? Maybe he does, but it just never comes up. The only mention of her at all in the whole original trilogy that I can remember is Luke’s throw-away question. I still have a problem with Obi-Wan saying that Darth Vader was his apprentice in EpIV (in my opinion a far more glaring plot hole than this whole silly mother memory stuff) but since the whole Vader father plot wasn’t worked out at that point, I can easily forgive and just enjoy the rest of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/28 "2005-06-13T01:03:13Z")
Yes, when he asks Leia about her real mother, and she says, “Why do you ask?” he replies, “I have no memory of my mother.” Of course, like you said, **Yumblie** , everyone remembers things differently, and Leia, for whatever reason, may retain some images of her mother while Luke does not. Like she said, they weren’t even memories or images-just feelings and emotions. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/29 "2005-06-13T01:01:52Z")
> [@Yumblie](#): > > Actually, does Luke ever say that he doesn’t remember? . IIRC, after Leia tells what she remembers, Luke says, “I have no memory of my mother”. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Bongo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a9adbd/32.png) [@Winston\_Bongo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Bongo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/30 "2005-06-13T14:54:33Z")
How much do you want to bet Lucas will eventually cut Luke’s line about having no memory of Padme? Without it, one could infer that he also retained “images and feelings” of their mom, and just wanted to see if Leia shared them, confirming that she too was Force-sensitive. Plot hole closed! While he’s at it, he could also dub in Luke saying, “Do you also remember some creepy, pancake-faced droid going ‘oompa-loompa’? Cause that’s haunted my dreams like _forever_. . .” ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/31 "2005-06-13T16:17:33Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > STAR WARS has been full of holes, beginning with EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, when Lucas unaccountably decided to make DV be LS’s father (despite the complete lack of hint thereof in STAR WARS, despite Obi-Wan’s description, despite Uncle Owen’s description, despite Vader’s seeming lack of knowledge of any child, despite etc.) So, the whole thing has been done ex-post facto, and the holes are large enough to drive a star destroyer through. Well, there had to be something in there foreshadowing these later developments. I had a teacher in high school who, just days after _Star Wars_ was released say that Leia was Luke’s sister and that Darth Vader was their father. I don’t know how she knew, but she said it long before _Empire_ was released. I can’t remember if she knew that Greedo shot first, though. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/32 "2005-06-13T16:42:47Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > STAR WARS has been full of holes, beginning with EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, when Lucas unaccountably decided to make DV be LS’s father (despite the complete lack of hint thereof in STAR WARS, despite Obi-Wan’s description, despite Uncle Owen’s description, despite Vader’s seeming lack of knowledge of any child, despite etc.) So, the whole thing has been done ex-post facto, and the holes are large enough to drive a star destroyer through. Right. But remember. . .you can only criticize Eps, I, II & III for these things because the originals had. . . Uh, what was it again? More feeling? Yeah that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/33 "2005-06-13T17:42:25Z")
Given that he has always felt sort of artistically/creatively dismissed in favor of his one-time mentor, it’s my (completely unwarranted) contention that Lucas wanted to out-Coppola Coppola and his means of doing so was turning his space opera cartoon into a sort of Godfather in Space, complete with the family dynamic. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816/34 "2005-06-15T00:38:01Z")
guinastasia, that trilogy got rather harsh reviews. i wasn’t able to find it in 3 book stores so i checked amazon. whoa nellie! some people were rather fierce… did you read these? i’m thinking i might go for it if i see them in a pound for a dollar book store. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-my-mommy-sw/307816.md?page=1)