# Who is organizing/supporting the "caravan"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 22, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326 "2018-10-22T12:25:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/21 "2018-10-22T19:40:56Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > My question is why are the proudly flying the Guatemalan and Honduran flags? > > I mean 1. if they are so proud of their country why not stay and try and improve it and 2. if I was trying to impress a country I was hoping to get asylum in, why not fly American flags? We can always rely on you to ask the really penetrating questions. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/22 "2018-10-22T20:18:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > My question is why are the proudly flying the Guatemalan and Honduran flags? > > I mean 1. if they are so proud of their country why not stay and try and improve it and 2. if I was trying to impress a country I was hoping to get asylum in, why not fly American flags? I saw a St. Patrick’s Day parade once where people were flying Irish flags. If they’re so proud of Ireland, why didn’t they stay there? Why aren’t they trying to impress our country? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/23 "2018-10-22T20:20:33Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > My question is why are the proudly flying the Guatemalan and Honduran flags? > > I mean 1. if they are so proud of their country why not stay and try and improve it and 2. if I was trying to impress a country I was hoping to get asylum in, why not fly American flags? For the most part, the caravan is millenials. They’re flying those flags ironically. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/24 "2018-10-22T20:21:11Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > We can always rely on you to ask the really penetrating questions. And you for not having a real answer. Typical leftist. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/25 "2018-10-22T20:22:46Z")
All those people displaying Confederate flags-Where should _they_ go back to? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/26 "2018-10-22T20:22:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Hey, these days, while I’m still proud to be an American, I’m not terribly thrilled with a lot of the things that are happening in my country (and that my government is doing), either. Never has been perfect. But how do you think another country like say Canada, would approve of 5,000 Americans waving American flags, marching to their border with the intent of demanding asylum? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/27 "2018-10-22T20:26:38Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Never has been perfect. > > But how do you think another country like say Canada, would approve of 5,000 Americans waving American flags, marching to their border with the intent of demanding asylum? How about answering the question I asked in post #19? ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/28 "2018-10-22T20:37:37Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > But how do you think another country like say Canada, would approve of 5,000 Americans waving American flags, marching to their border with the intent of demanding asylum? I know you weren’t addressing this question to me, but is that really relevant? We can speculate on Canada’s reaction to a hypothetical scenario, but so what? This is an issue of right or wrong. You’re delusional if you think all of those Hondurans are trying to get here in order to “get free stuff” or “vote for Democrats”. I mean, seriously, have you ever met an illegal immigrant? I have worked with them, met them, been friends with them. They are just regular people who want to live, work, and provide for their families without crippling fear, just like you. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/29 "2018-10-22T20:37:57Z")
My WAG is these people have heard a wall is going up and want to get to the border before that happens. You know that is a very long way to walk. I can’t see many people actually finishing the trek. It reminds of the VietNamese boat people. Or the run on Greece. There is really little hope they will succeed. IMO ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/30 "2018-10-22T21:06:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > My understanding is that it’s 7,000 (not 5,000) 7200 and growing according to the UN. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/31 "2018-10-22T21:08:43Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Never has been perfect. > > But how do you think another country like say Canada, would approve of 5,000 Americans waving American flags, marching to their border with the intent of demanding asylum? LOL, I would love to see Trudeau’s face when he heard that. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/32 "2018-10-22T21:13:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If they did, would that change your mind about letting them in? Spray painting swastikas on the US flag and then burning them is certainly not going to help their cause, now will it? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/33 "2018-10-22T21:15:08Z")
There are too many personal shots occurring in this thread. Any more will earn warnings. Rein it in people. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/34 "2018-10-22T21:17:22Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Spray painting swastikas on the US flag and then burning them is certainly not going to help their cause, now will it? NM-saw warning. This neither answers the question, nor does it clarify it in any way. ---
**Author:** ![justins7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@justins7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/justins7)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/35 "2018-10-22T21:48:35Z")
People do not seem to be seeing the alarming fact that this caravan is a GIFT TO THE REPUBLICANS (in addition to being a human catastrophe). It is like a moving image of how Repub. supporters see Latin Americans: a growing horde clamoring to get in, lest we let the Democrats get in office. Close the gates (they’ll say)! Somehow it always seems like the Republicans have the benefit of an October surprise before an election —either up their own sleeves or by “luck.” I wouldn’t be shocked if the horde was organized by Trump himself or his Russian partners. Of course I don’t mean to diminish the horror of their plight; rather, I am referring to the political implications. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/36 "2018-10-22T21:59:43Z")
> [@justins7](#): > > People do not seem to be seeing the alarming fact that this caravan is a GIFT TO THE REPUBLICANS I see that fact. But what’s to be done? Tell the Democrats to get on the other side of this issue, because the alternative sets up stuff like this as gifts to the Republicans? So long as Democrats aren’t going to nullify this talking point by simply agreeing with the GOP, we should see this fact and then — what? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/37 "2018-10-22T22:03:49Z")
Well Obama was known to put his foot down at times and say NO to immigrants also so I dont see why the current democrats cannot do the same. Now I also think we really need to figure out what is causing the problems in their home countries and seek to help them so they wont need to immigrate. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/38 "2018-10-22T22:06:45Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well Obama was known to put his foot down at times and say NO to immigrants also so I dont see why the current democrats cannot do the same. Probably the fact that they don’t control any of the levers of government. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/39 "2018-10-22T22:10:43Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well Obama was known to put his foot down at times and say NO to immigrants also so I dont see why the current democrats cannot do the same. > > Now I also think we really need to figure out what is causing the problems in their home countries and seek to help them so they wont need to immigrate. Well, there’s that whole “war on drugs” thing conservatives are so fond of that has turned Central America into a hotbed of organized crime, corruption, and gang warfare. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-organizing-supporting-the-caravan/823326/40 "2018-10-22T23:24:33Z")
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