# Who is sending Bombs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454 "2018-10-24T19:31:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/501 "2018-11-01T14:53:05Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > What kind of steps are you willing to take to ensure someone doesn’t lose their livelihood just because they are a Nazi? We already know you’re not willing to fire one as long as he does the job you’re paying him to do. > > But as a customer, would you shop at a Nazi-owned store? Assuming the Nazi is selling products at a competitive price and quality, would you feel ethically obligated to buy from them? If we lived in a country that had a more robust safety net, I wouldn’t feel so bad for the Nazi getting fired. I think there should be a floor below which you can’t fall. A bare minimum of food, clothing, shelter, adequate healthcare. But if you want to advance beyond that, you can definitely be held accountable for your views. I probably wouldn’t buy from a Nazi owned store. But if I were to found out that a store employed a Nazi, I wouldn’t boycott it. > [@](#): > > How much of a blind eye would you be willing to turn to those who advocate and promote genocide, all in the pursuit of protecting their livelihoods? How far are you willing to combat hate? If you owned a bank, would you refuse to give a Nazi a bank account? If you were a doctor, would you refuse to have a Nazi as a patient? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/502 "2018-11-01T15:28:38Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > If we lived in a country that had a more robust safety net, I wouldn’t feel so bad for the Nazi getting fired. I think there should be a floor below which you can’t fall. A bare minimum of food, clothing, shelter, adequate healthcare. But if you want to advance beyond that, you can definitely be held accountable for your views. > > I probably wouldn’t buy from a Nazi owned store. But if I were to found out that a store employed a Nazi, I wouldn’t boycott it. > > How far are you willing to combat hate? If you owned a bank, would you refuse to give a Nazi a bank account? If you were a doctor, would you refuse to have a Nazi as a patient? If a Nazi came into my bank and asked to open up an account, I would let him know he would be putting his money into a black-owned institution. If he is okay with that, fine. Why not profit from his contradictory behavior? But if a boycott was organized against me for taking him as a customer, I would probably drop him like a hot potato. If I were a physician, I would treat anyone who walked through my door since I would have taken an oath to help everyone. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/503 "2018-11-01T15:55:17Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I probably wouldn’t buy from a Nazi owned store. Why? This isn’t a gotcha ya; I’m asking sincerely. Your position is that people shouldn’t be deprived of a livelihood just because of their political beliefs. Correct? Translated to the marketplace, doesn’t this mean consumers should not make buying decisions based on the political beliefs of business owners? If tomorrow my neighbors and I learn that the corner pizzeria is managed by the newly elected deputy grand wizard of the KKK, I see no moral difference between us deciding to buy pizzas elsewhere (thereby leading to the demise of the restaurant) and corporate headquarters deciding to fire the manager to prevent a boycott like this from occurring in the first place. > [@](#): > > How far are you willing to combat hate? If you owned a bank, would you refuse to give a Nazi a bank account? If you were a doctor, would you refuse to have a Nazi as a patient? Since it’s not routine that banks and doctors screen clients and patients the same way that employers do, my first question is how would I even know they were Nazis? If they were essentially local celebrities because their political activities are so public, or they essentially make their views known through symbols on their clothes, tattoos, etc, then yeah, I would turn them away if I owned a bank. If I’m a doctor with my own practice, I would turn them away too unless they needed emergency care or some other exigency for which medical ethics would prevail. Imagine someone coming into your establishment decked out in neo-Nazi gear with tattoos and all, and you greet them at the door with a smile, handshake, and happy to see you pleasantries. You don’t think that is going to send a troubling “there are fine people on both sides” message to your other customers? And if your response to this question is what if they are dressed like a regular person, with no tattoos or anything? Then again I’m going to ask how is it that I know they are Nazis to begin with? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/504 "2018-11-01T17:19:02Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Why? This isn’t a gotcha ya; I’m asking sincerely. > > Your position is that people shouldn’t be deprived of a livelihood just because of their political beliefs. Correct? Translated to the marketplace, doesn’t this mean consumers should not make buying decisions based on the political beliefs of business owners? The general idea I have in mind is that they get a livelihood. Not necesarily a good livelihood, but they can carve out some sort of marginal existence for themselves. When they rise above the rank of a pizza delivery boy and become a manager, or God forbid the owner, then I’m cool with knocking them down a peg or two. Just not into complete destitution. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/505 "2018-11-01T17:32:01Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > The general idea I have in mind is that they get a livelihood. I don’t have a major problem with them being able to support themselves. I do have a problem being the one who provides them with that support. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/506 "2018-11-01T21:29:20Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > The general idea I have in mind is that they get a livelihood. Not necesarily a good livelihood, but they can carve out some sort of marginal existence for themselves. When they rise above the rank of a pizza delivery boy and become a manager, or God forbid the owner, then I’m cool with knocking them down a peg or two. Just not into complete destitution. Firing someone does not equate to sentencing someone to a lifetime of destitution. I have known several people who were fired from their jobs. Not laid off, but fired for cause. In a couple of cases, the cause was serious. But all of those fired people have since landed on their feet. I used to think like you, that being fired is one the worst things that could happen to a person. But it really isn’t…especially if someone gets fired from a menial job. Specialized jobs tend to have small worlds where word gets around fast, but getting fired from the Pizza Hut on 2nd Street isn’t going to keep you from getting a job at Frank’s Pizzeria on Monroe Ave right around the corner. It certainly isn’t going to keep you from getting a job at Wendy’s or Subway. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/507 "2018-11-01T22:44:40Z")
Just like how there’s always another guy with a car looking for your pizza delivery job, there’s always another pizza delivery joint looking for a guy with a car. You get fired from Big Joey’s Pizza for being a Nazi? Then when you go to work over at Little Tony’s Pizza maybe tone that shit down out? And if you get fired there, then maybe do an even better job at cutting that shit out over at Medium Paulie’s Pizza? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/508 "2018-11-01T23:12:57Z")
I think we are mixing total wackos with actual people here. This guy said that his manager should die because she was gay. The stickers on his van promoted violence. Good bye. We don’t talk about political affiliation at work. Not at all. In a professional atmosphere, it’s just not done. Religion either. Shouldn’t be done in a casual workplace either IMHO. Now, if some employee said I should die because of my beliefs or affiliation, I would call the sheriff, wait for the cops, pack up his stuff in boxes and have him escorted out the door. Let’s not forget that this asshole threatened his manager. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/509 "2018-11-01T23:24:28Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I think we are mixing total wackos with actual people here. > > This guy said that his manager should die because she was gay. The stickers on his van promoted violence. > > Good bye. > > We don’t talk about political affiliation at work. Not at all. In a professional atmosphere, it’s just not done. Religion either. Shouldn’t be done in a casual workplace either IMHO. > > Now, if some employee said I should die because of my beliefs or affiliation, I would call the sheriff, wait for the cops, pack up his stuff in boxes and have him escorted out the door. > > Let’s not forget that this asshole threatened his manager. Exactly. The particular flavor of his crazy means nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/510 "2018-11-01T23:57:10Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I disagree. In fact, if I knew any white supremacists, I would try to engage them in conversation and change their mind. If there was a Nazi working for me, I’d engage him in conversation, alright, The “conversation” would consist of me saying “I think your views are repugnant and you aren’t going to be working here anymore.” THIS is the kind of conversation that might cause someone to thoughtfully re-examine their views and possibly change them if they have it often enough. If you hold an opinion that is merely controversial, like “Trump is a smart man”, getting fired for it won’t doom you to a life of abject poverty and starvation, because there are plenty of business owners that like Donald Trump and some of them may even sympathize with your plight. But when your views are so repugnant that they caus you to lose every job you get, every girl you date, all your friends and family…that society’s way of telling you that you are wrong and need to change. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/511 "2018-11-02T01:31:10Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Now that this person is unemployed, they are going to have a lot more free time on their hands to spread hate. They’ve got nothing to lose now. It seems to be that allowing them to keep their job under the condition that they stop hate posting would be a more effective strategy. What a crock of shit. Troll. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/512 "2018-11-02T01:48:13Z")
Lest you guys forget, **Blalron** was the guy saying that the NYT lady should be fired for being racist towards white people. Even when she apologized, that was not enough for him. No engaging in a dialog there. When you meet someone who cares more about anti-white racism and is going on about how Nazis should be given a chance, you don’t need to think too hard to figure out what the issue is. I’m sorry, but even I have my limits. I’m not going to have sympathy for a Nazi being fired. They don’t like that? Don’t act like a Nazi. I’m not going to sit here and tell you the same shit you’ve heard all your life about how racism is bad and expect it to change your mind. It’s no different than if someone is fired for stealing or some other evil thing they know they shouldn’t do. Yeah, maybe I’ll try to help you if you promise not to do it anymore, or work on it if you have a mental issue. But if you’re still a thief or Nazi, then fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/513 "2018-11-02T01:49:06Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > The general idea I have in mind is that they get a livelihood. Not necesarily a good livelihood, but they can carve out some sort of marginal existence for themselves. Maybe we can give every Nazi a realistic life-sized sex robot, and then they could make money by renting it out. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/514 "2018-11-02T01:54:29Z")
Maybe all they need is a hug. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/515 "2018-11-02T08:54:19Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Maybe all they need is a hug. The Nazis or the life-sized sex robots? ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/516 "2018-11-02T16:41:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Maybe all they need is a hug. I’m down with that! Give me a moment to fetch the anaconda. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454/517 "2018-11-02T16:42:50Z")
Uh…Naziism isn’t really a political view. It’s more like a psychosis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-sending-bombs/823454.md?page=25)