# Who is the Bitchiest/Most Hateful Sitcom Mom/Wife? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 13, 2003, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104 "2003-10-13T03:21:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/101 "2012-03-10T14:46:38Z")
> [@Corcaigh](#): > > Lois from MitM, isn’t too bad, as someone else pointed out, she has a horrible job and four insane sons and her husband seems to be a dick. I don’t know…I’d call Hal more of an immature man-child than a dick. And I kind of loved Lwaxana. Then again, I’m sympathetic toward the (95% fictional) Mama Rose in _Gypsy_, too, despite the fact that an objective analysis even of the fictional character (not even going into the real-life Rose Hovick, who was an honest-to-god piece of work sans parallel in her century) shows her as a domineering, greedy, lying, delusional bitch. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/102 "2012-03-10T15:47:27Z")
> [@Washoe](#): > > Research is still being conducted, but our best guess right now is that BPD is the end result of severely disrupted attachment in early childhood, coupled with a genetic predisposition towards development of the disorder. PM me for peer-reviewed cites if you’re interested. Making an inexpert guess though, I’d say no—having a Refrigerator Mom in and of itself is unlikely to do the trick. The literature suggests that it would have to be coupled with fairly heavy-duty physical abuse. However, the Draper kids will almost certainly have difficulty as adults maintaining nurturing, reciprocal relationships with opposite-sex partners. Thank you for that information. The Draper kids will have the same problem as their father, Don. (not BPD but having relationships) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/103 "2012-03-10T16:33:10Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Bullshit. If you don’t have your wife’s back and stand by her as a united front, then you’re just enabling tension and discord through your passivity. Being married means you aren’t impartial in those disputes–unless you’re a spineless coward (Exhibit A: Ray Barone) What’s bullshit is forcing a third person to intervene between two family members. You work out your shit one-on-one. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/104 "2012-03-10T20:34:43Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What’s bullshit is forcing a third person to intervene between two family members. You work out your shit one-on-one. But you always support the one you hope to sleep with. ---
**Author:** ![Apocalypso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Apocalypso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apocalypso)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/105 "2012-03-11T05:10:01Z")
Just wanted to say in Deborah’s (Everybody Loves Raymond) defense, that if there was a worst sitcom dad/husband thread, Raymond would win hands down. The character has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever. He’s a wishy-washy, whiny, jealous, two faced loser who deserves a long, slow, horrible, screaming painful death. He’s not a good husband, a good dad, a good brother, or a good son. And having his parents as in laws would result in my hiring of a hitman pronto. In fact, the only character on that show with any redeeming qualities whatsoever (and the only one who was actually funny) was Robert. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/106 "2012-03-11T06:33:31Z")
> [@Apocalypso](#): > > Just wanted to say in Deborah’s (Everybody Loves Raymond) defense, that if there was a worst sitcom dad/husband thread, Raymond would win hands down. The character has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever. He’s a wishy-washy, whiny, jealous, two faced loser who deserves a long, slow, horrible, screaming painful death. He’s not a good husband, a good dad, a good brother, or a good son. And having his parents as in laws would result in my hiring of a hitman pronto. In fact, the only character on that show with any redeeming qualities whatsoever (and the only one who was actually funny) was Robert. I think ‘Jim’ from that Jim Belushi show might be in the running here. (assuming of course that we ignore totally any animated features) ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/107 "2012-03-11T20:43:53Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What’s bullshit is forcing a third person to intervene between two family members. You work out your shit one-on-one. Nah, I agree with **MovieMogul**. There are times when one spouse has to defend the other to a parent because the bullshit can’t be dealt with one-on-one. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/108 "2012-03-11T20:50:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/109 "2012-03-12T13:44:05Z")
No mention of Paul & Jamie’s mothers from Mad About You? Both of them were nastr control freaks. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/110 "2012-03-12T16:34:17Z")
> [@grude](#): > > I always hated Mrs.Huxtable on The Cosby Show, what a demeaning ice queen bitch! > > Do we ever once see her showing genuine emotion to her husband or her own children? No she always has this smug look on her face, she manipulates and uses Cliff to teach the kids lessons instead of you know just talking to them like a parent. > > She treated her highly respected OBGYN husband like a retarded child, constantly scolding him about everything he ate(or tried to) I mean the guy has just been on a fucking long stressful shift at the hospital so he grabs a pizza or whatever on the way home and the second he is in the door and tries to eat it you hear “CLIIIIIIIIIF that better not be a pizza I smell” and his face would drop with dissapointment. Yeah, because sitting kids down and talking to them NEVER winds up with everything you say going in one ear and out the other. Dude, have you ever met a kid? Letting them pee on the electric fence (with the power turned down, she and Cliff never let the kids suffer any truly serious consequences for their mistakes) for themselves is generally going to make a lot deeper and longer-lasting impression than if you talk yourself blue in the face. As for Cliff eating junk, didn’t he have high cholesterol and/or hypertension? At the time, prevailing medical wisdom was that the sort of diet Cliff tried to sneak, combined with his health issues, was likely to put him in an early grave. If my spouse is doing something that’s likely to result in him leaving me a premature widow with a houseful of kids to raise, you bet your ass he’s going to hear about it. Especially when he bloody well knows that what he’s doing is likely to have such negative consequences for our entire family. Yes, it would have been nicer if she’d sat him down and said “Look, I know you like eating this stuff, but I don’t want to lose you at the age of 50, and I really don’t want to have to raise these five kids alone or to have them grow up without a dad. It would mean a lot to me if you’d take care of yourself for our sakes,” and he’d agreed. But they couldn’t really have gotten a running gag out of it, could they? As for Deb Barone, I don’t think she was so much a bitch as a moron. Yes, her tension level was always through the roof because of her idiot man-child husband and bitchy, hyper-intrusive mil who hated her guts. But how blind and stupid do you have to be to not see that coming if you marry into that family? ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104/111 "2012-03-13T02:56:08Z")
> [@Apocalypso](#): > > Just wanted to say in Deborah’s (Everybody Loves Raymond) defense, that if there was a worst sitcom dad/husband thread, Raymond would win hands down. The character has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever. He’s a wishy-washy, whiny, jealous, two faced loser who deserves a long, slow, horrible, screaming painful death. He’s not a good husband, a good dad, a good brother, or a good son. And having his parents as in laws would result in my hiring of a hitman pronto. In fact, the only character on that show with any redeeming qualities whatsoever (and the only one who was actually funny) was Robert. This. Except for the death part. Substitute Deborah divorcing him and getting a large enough settlement that forces him to move in with his parents! A LIVING death! MuhahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Now THAT would have been a GREAT final episode! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-bitchiest-most-hateful-sitcom-mom-wife/207104.md?page=5)