# Who is the worst golddigging ho? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 20, 2001, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133 "2001-07-20T01:41:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/21 "2001-07-20T19:43:24Z")
Julia Roberts has (possibly) dated your list of nine men. Let’s assume we only care about her sex life because she’s famous, so let’s choose a time frame and includes her “famous” life. Ummmmm, Mystic Pizza came out in 1988. That’s 13 years ago. So she’s averaging less than a boyfriend a year and you’re calling her a whore?! Please get a life HelloKitty. ---
**Author:** ![psiekier](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psiekier/32/116_2.png) [@psiekier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psiekier)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/22 "2001-07-20T20:41:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blur \* > \*\*Before I even saw your choices, I thought of Anna Nicole Smith. \*\* Funny, **blur** , the exact same thought popped into _my_ head as well. She’s the champ! * * * Pete Take off every .sig for great justice!! ---
**Author:** ![bobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@bobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/23 "2001-07-20T21:18:09Z")
One hand, Jones has a talent that involves being upright. she would have been just fine with or without Douglas. on the other hand there’s Smith. who had, well, um, NO talents that I could see (though I bet she has a few that I wouldn’t mind experiencing, although it would probably kill me just like the old dude) on the marriage as a contract thingy. I think it cheapens marriage a little bit, but hey, it’s not my life. You want to basically buy a toy for your golden years, go for it. You want to sell yourself like an (extremely) high priced hooker, go for it. ---
**Author:** ![bobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@bobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/24 "2001-07-20T21:22:11Z")
and hey Stoid, ``` where are those reasons for voting for Jones in this little horse race? ``` I’m curious as to why women think a talented beautiful actress marrying a talented attractive actor is gold digging, as opposed to a silicone siren that was stripping to pay the bills. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2001, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/25 "2001-07-20T22:07:47Z")
Hmmm. This has been interesting. I guess it just goes to show that we gather to ourselves folk of like mind. First of all, I never said ANS was NOT a golddigger, because she obviously is. The question was, is she “worse” than CZJ, who I also believe to be a golddigger. Here’s how I and my female friends view the two situations: ANS is and was unapologetically trading on her sexual appeal for money and attention. According to everything I’ve read, the old man she married had been her “patron” for a very long time. One of his sons testified that he had never seen his dad as happy as he was in the time he was with ANS. He found her stripping, where she was showing her bod for money. He said marry me, be nice to me, and I’ll make you rich. She said ok. According to reports, she was very close to him \* in the manner you would expect: seeing him as a father/grandfather figure in her life \* and sincerely grieved his passing. After he was gone, she expected to inherit, as he had promised. I see no deception on anyone’s part in any of this, whatever other judgment might be made of it. CZJ, on the other hand? Total “Rules” girl (in a way) and I think that is manipulative and dishonest. I think her marriage to Doublas was totally calculated, and the worst calculation of all? Getting pregnant. His pickup line to her was something like “I want you to have my children” and she certainly did. Almost immediately becoming pregnant after they became lovers, which wasn’t immediately, since she played her “rules” games on him to snag him. (I find that whole “Rules” thing so disgusting, can ya tell? ) Unlike the characterizations most here have given, I disagree that CZJ had a “thriving” career that she could kick back and count on, not at all. At the time Doublas hit on her so hard, she had done one major American film, “Zorro”. How many countless beautiful women have blown into Hollywood, done one or two or four movies, then sank into obscurity forever? LOTS AND LOTS. And she was going to make sure she wasn’t one of them. Micheal Douglas is one of the wealthiest, most powerful men in the entertainment business. ( He’s also an old fogey…very, very old school in his friendships and what he does for fun.) If you wanted to get a diamond-studded pass into the corridors of entertainment power, you couldn’t do much better than Douglas. But on the outside, it all “looks” pretty legit, she COULD be in love with him, why not? My eye, sez I. I’ll take Anna’s open and honest trading-sex-for-money over what I believe to be Catherine’s steely-eyed climbing any day of the week. I predict that marriage will end as soon as one of two things happens: 1. Her own career blows the roof off the joint and she’s rolling in her OWN millions (the woman has insanely expensive taste, it will take a whole lotta millions to keep her happy.) 2. She becomes “vested” in her pre-nup, so to speak. The amount she’s entitled to goes up every year they are married, I think it gets really juicy around 5, not sure. Anyway, all of this is all simply opinon, of course…perhaps ANS and CZJ were BOTH madly and insanely in love…who knows? But that’s why we’re in this forum! stoid ---
**Author:** ![rugby007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@rugby007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rugby007)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/26 "2001-07-21T19:10:39Z")
Anna Nicole Smith, out front and moving away. Let’s not forget Jackie O and Princess Diana, eh? A slightly higher socio-political strata, sure, but “gold-digging” still applies. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/27 "2001-07-21T19:43:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > (I’ve always assumed you were male… many apologies if I was wrong!) Your assumption is correct. **rugby007** , Jackie O. and Princess Diana? Didn’t the former, if not both, already come from wealthy families (and there also wasn’t any big age difference, was there)? I don’t think we should assume that every woman who marries someone wealthy is gold-digging! ---
**Author:** ![Schwanzong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Schwanzong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schwanzong)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/28 "2001-07-21T21:02:47Z")
Why wasn’t **Bonnie Lee Bakley** on the list? She made the rest of them look like Girl Scouts. ---
**Author:** ![Dragonblink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dragonblink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragonblink)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/29 "2001-07-21T22:21:38Z")
I have to say Anna Nicole Smith is a bigger golddigging ho, even though I’m a chick. (I will add, however, that if she was happy and he was happy, more power to 'em, as long as they close the drapes) Whether or not Zeta-Jones had a career going, the Douglas men have a dominant Handsome gene going in the family. Kirk Douglas gets a Lifetime Achievement Eternally Sexy award from me, even though he’s like four hundred years old now. I’m less of a fan of Michael, but hey. He’s got the chin dimple. ANS’s late husband, though I’m sure he was a fine man in his own right, was not the kind of guy I’d see on the street and think “Oh yeah, I want him.” And the first person to argue that ANS’s marriage to him means she’s interested in internal character rather than external appearance gets a big mighty lick on the forehead. ---
**Author:** ![ruadh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@ruadh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ruadh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2001, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/30 "2001-07-21T22:40:53Z")
I can’t for the life of me understand what Catherine sees in Michael Douglas (a man I find so repulsive on so many levels I can’t even enjoy any films that he’s in), but come on. I don’t even see the comparison between the two marriages. Just to add another name to the list, remember Faye Resnick, Nicole Brown Simpson’s best friend? I once worked for a lawyer who represented the family of the man she was engaged to at the time - you should have seen the dirt we got on her while trying to work out their prenup. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/31 "2001-07-22T04:57:04Z")
Do you actually have any reasons for believing **CZJ** was playing a"rules game" with **Douglas**? Or is that just your opinion, too? I mean – the man opens with “I want you to have my children”, and se has his children. This is what qualifies one for goldigging ho status? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/32 "2001-07-22T05:13:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spiritus Mundi \* > \*\*Do you actually have any reasons for believing **CZJ** was playing a"rules game" with **Douglas**? Or is that just your opinion, too? > > \*\* She didn’t declare (that I know of) “I’m a rules girl!”, but I have read a number of profiles and interviews in which the course of their meeting, courtship, pregnancy and marriage have been detailed, and she sounds like a woman the Rules girls would be proud of. stoid ---
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/33 "2001-07-22T06:53:51Z")
**xcheopis** said: > [@](#): > > I say more power to both of 'em. She marries for money, he marries for looks, everyone’s happy. I think there’s a lot of merit in this line of thinking. Granted, we like to pretend that most relationships are about something deeper than looks or money–as the old Poco song went, “if it makes us feel better, call it love”–but I’ll be damned if I believe it for the majority of either gender. (Looks and/or money, that is–usually looks for both sexes, with money as a potential overriding factor.) So Anna Nicole and her late hubby are just exagerated examples of what mostly goes on anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/34 "2001-07-22T18:15:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dragonblink \* > **And the first person to argue that ANS’s marriage to him means she’s interested in internal character rather than external appearance gets a big mighty lick on the forehead.** Now there’s a offer that sounds worth taking up 😃 –sublight. ---
**Author:** ![Sue\_Duhnym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Sue\_Duhnym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sue_Duhnym)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/35 "2001-07-22T18:39:36Z")
Though here’s MY take on the CZJ/MD marriage. I think HE’S the digger in that relationship. He’s had more press since their relationship started than in the previous decade. I think he needed an up-and-comer like her. FWIW ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/36 "2001-07-22T19:58:35Z")
**Stoid** , I think perhaps you’re confusing _means_ and _motive_. I’m not a fan of “The Rules”, and I don’t think that women should use manipulation to “win” men. But the terms “golddigging” and “ho” imply more than a specific method of catching a man; they imply that the _motive_ for catching that man is money, and money alone. Whatever methods that **CZJ** used to convince Michael Douglas to marry her (and they seemed pretty darn happy at his celebrity golf tournament this weekend), I’ve seen no evidence that the reason she married him was his money. I haven’t read “The Rules”, but my understanding is that the book is about how to convince a man to make a commitment to you, not about how to marry a rich man. Even if **CZJ** did use some underhanded techniques to get Michael, it doesn’t mean that she didn’t find his conversation enlightening, his knowledge of the world of movie-making fascinating, and his chin dimple adorable. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/37 "2001-07-22T20:15:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sue Duhnym \* > \*\*Though here’s MY take on the CZJ/MD marriage. I think HE’S the digger in that relationship. > > He’s had more press since their relationship started than in the previous decade. I think he needed an up-and-comer like her. > > FWIW \*\* Bing Bing Bing Bing - I think we have a winner, Bob. MD had been a leading man. Lately his roles have been, um less than leading (except in **Traffic** where he costared with whom? why CZJ of course). ANS was a stripper in a low rent bar when she met the man O her dreams. A quantum leap in life style for her vs. a marginal one for Ms. ZJ. (and in Ms ZJ’s case, it’s arguable that she would have been able to afford that leap on her own merits in a few years, whereas Ms. S. didn’t have a prayer of getting anywhere w/o her hubby) ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2001, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/38 "2001-07-22T22:07:08Z")
MysterEcks: > [@](#): > > Granted, we like to pretend that most relationships are about something deeper than looks or money–as the old Poco song went, “if it makes us feel better, call it love”–but I’ll be damned if I believe it for the majority of either gender. (Looks and/or money, that is–usually looks for both sexes, with money as a potential overriding factor.) So Anna Nicole and her late hubby are just exagerated examples of what mostly goes on anyway. If that were true, then only hot people or rich people would be married. Considering that **most** people are ugly – or at least not hot-- and **most** people are married, then this can’t be true. Now, if ugly people can marry each other for reasons other than to have sex with a hottie, than it follows that pretty people can also marry for other reasons, as well. As long as both partners understand/share the same set of expectations, I think it is all good. And though I follow these matters not at all, I would like to hear Stoid refute the point made by Rickjay–that CZJ left a wealthy man with great influence in the movie industry in order to pursue Douglas. If that is true, then she must have had some sort of motive other than personal gain: why give up on an established relationship to pursue an iffy ojne, especially with a man known to love 'em and leave 'em, if you didn’t have some special preference for the man, not the mpney/influence. ---
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2001, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/39 "2001-07-23T06:51:43Z")
**Manda JO** said: > [@](#): > > If that were true, then only hot people or rich people would be married. Considering that most people are ugly – or at least not hot-- and most people are married, then this can’t be true. Ok, first off, I said “most”–meaning a majority. I would certainly agree that a reasonably-large minority of women and (a smaller, I think) minority of men don’t worry excessively about looks and/or bucks. Also, looks are to an extent a matter of personal taste–somewhere out there is somebody who thinks Jabba the Hut is sexy. And both looks and money are kind of relative–some poor schlub may be ugly as hell, but maybe not as ugly as that other poor ugly schlub; having a net worth of $2000 may not be good, but it beats living in a cardboard box and eating out of dumpsters. > [@](#): > > Now, if ugly people can marry each other for reasons other than to have sex with a hottie, than it follows that pretty people can also marry for other reasons, as well. This begs the question of whether most of said ugly people have any option other than fellow uglies…and I would personally contend that most of them don’t. If you doubt this, check out your local newspaper’s wedding pictures over an extended period–not a scientific sample, I know–and count the instances of truely homely people marrying truely attractive people. There will be some, but not very many. Maybe I’m too cynical on the subject, but I think I’m right in terms of the majority of people–not _all_people, certainly, but the majority of 'em. I guess I just don’t look very charitably on most of my fellow humans. ---
**Author:** ![Schwanzong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Schwanzong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schwanzong)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2001, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-is-the-worst-golddigging-ho/73133/40 "2001-07-23T07:14:10Z")
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