# Who Killed Jesus? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 29, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168 "2009-03-29T07:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Animastryfe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8797f3/32.png) [@Animastryfe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Animastryfe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/82 "2009-03-30T01:11:58Z")
> [@Weston](#): > > Look, listen. You’re obviously making a case for something, right? I mean, that’s why you posted your unreadable screed on a message board rather than your own personal blog. You want to persuade people. Well, I can tell you that you’ll never, ever, persuade anyone of anything if you keep posting the way you’re doing. > > Fact is, inattention to spelling, grammar, and capitalisation, _in a written medium_, are clear indications that the author is either stupid or crazy. Or both. Now, I don’t know you. You may be a genius. All I can tell is that you’re coming across very differently. I mean, imagine if you were in a bookshop and you picked up a book full of huge paragraphs with massive run-on sentences and virtually no capitalisation. You’d probably put it straight back without getting to the end of the first page. And the fact is that you’d likely be right to do so because it probably _would_ have been written by someone stupid, or crazy. Or both. > > Bottom line: If you don’t care enough to format your posts properly, no-one else will care enough to read them. And that’ll be _your_ fault, not anybody else’s. And considering we’re on a message board, that rather defeats the object of you being here. If you just love typing so much then get a blog. Hell, just open up an MSWord document and go nuts. I don’t care. Just please don’t post _here_ until you can be bothered to make your posts fit to read. At the end of the day, it’s just the courteous thing to do. Because we’re both guests, I shall have to ask this here: Do you mind if I save your post somewhere and use it (with credit given) when I encounter posts like the OP’s on other message boards? Your post is one of the best of its type that I have seen in recent memory, and it’s general enough to apply to the majority of unreadable posts out there. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/83 "2009-03-30T01:20:19Z")
I believe **Kanicbird** killed Jesus. After traveling to Gethsemane in a Tardis, he crucified the carpenter in order to validate his world view. ---
**Author:** ![Lacunae\_Quell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lacunae\_Quell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lacunae_Quell)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/84 "2009-03-30T01:31:08Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s a collection of primitive mythology, and that’s all. It’s not especially profound, and it isn’t particularly truthful. Admitting that it’s your “sole source of information regarding anything I discuss” is an admission of extreme ignorance. in your opinion! …but I guess since you choose not to believe in God and the Word of God that your opinion is all you have… pity. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He does fail pretty badly at existing. all I have to say to that is… just wait… as It is written “Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord”… just wait and see. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > We ARE primates, like it or not. Even if all the evidence for evolution is a Satanic Conspiracy and we were created, we were created as primates. Our anatomy and our genetics are those of a primate. > > That being said, the evidence for evolution in general, and of humans descending from apes specifically, is overwhelming. You don’t like it ? Too bad; reality is not a matter of opinion. You and I obviously don’t have the same first parents. I’m sorry to burst your bubble of “scientific fact”, son, but I am a descendant of Adam and Eve. I don’t doubt that some men were evolved from primates and multiplied throughout the Earth… but, I’m not one of those men. My first parents were created in the image and likeness of the Holy Trinity and first father was created from the dust of the ground and first mother was created from his rib. OH! this is a great opportunity for me to mention the fact I believe in EBEs… that’s Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, for those who weren’t aware. Laugh and shake your head if you will… but tell me, since you are obviously more intelligent than I, what creatures dwell in the seas of Neptune? What is the name of the lonely yellow star which rests on the edge of the universe? While we’re on the subject of stars, what is the EXACT total of heavenly bodies? I will eagerly be waiting your answers. obviously, Der, you’ve never tripped on LSD and experienced everything you recognized as reality crumble right beneath your feet, dropping you into a bottomless spiraling pit. Don’t sit there and tell me how I’ve experienced life. I’m sure I’ve got experiences on you that you may never experience, but vice versa… and not all my experiences were with mind altering substances. DO NOT EVER TELL ANYONE WHAT THEY HAVE OR HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED! you don’t know me at all, friend. All you know is what I choose to reveal in what I type. You see ignorance when you read what I type, I see foolishness and hopelessness on top of ignorance when I read what you type. I am sure you are an intelligent Human specimen… but to tell me what reality id, when you yourself aren’t fully aware, is rather presumptuous. Reality is a different experience for each human. Reality is life, my friend, and some people just don’t get life. Oh… and isn’t it a fact that the best science is experience? I’m still but an infant in the course of eternity, but I know where I come from and I know where I am going. How dare you tell me otherwise! How dare you! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/85 "2009-03-30T01:31:54Z")
But who shot the deputy? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/86 "2009-03-30T01:37:08Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Laugh and shake your head if you will… Can do! > [@](#): > > obviously, Der, you’ve never tripped on LSD and experienced everything you recognized as reality crumble right beneath your feet, dropping you into a bottomless spiraling pit. So you’ve done a bunch of acid. That explains so much. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/87 "2009-03-30T01:53:54Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > in your opinion! …but I guess since you choose not to believe in God and the Word of God that your opinion is all you have… pity. Oh, I have more than that. Such as all the scientific facts and historical records that contradict the Bible. The Bible’s fiction, whether you like it or not. Not even very entertaining fiction, in my opinion. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > all I have to say to that is… just wait… as It is written “Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord”… just wait and see. No, YOU’LL wait. I have better things to do than wait for an impossibility. And I wouldn’t “confess” that anyone or anything is “lord”. Not without something on the order of torture, at least. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > You and I obviously don’t have the same first parents. I’m sorry to burst your bubble of “scientific fact”, son, but I am a descendant of Adam and Eve. No, you aren’t. They never existed. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I don’t doubt that some men were evolved from primates and multiplied throughout the Earth… but, I’m not one of those men. Hmmm. And those men who evolved from animals, who you no doubt think inferior, wouldn’t happen to be those with a different skin color or nationality ? Or those that disagree with you ? > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > OH! this is a great opportunity for me to mention the fact I believe in EBEs… that’s Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, for those who weren’t aware. Laugh and shake your head if you will… but tell me, since you are obviously more intelligent than I, what creatures dwell in the seas of Neptune? What is the name of the lonely yellow star which rests on the edge of the universe? While we’re on the subject of stars, what is the EXACT total of heavenly bodies? I will eagerly be waiting your answers. Neptune is unlikely to have life. There is no edge to the universe. And the latter is an unknown but large number. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > obviously, Der, you’ve never tripped on LSD and experienced everything you recognized as reality crumble right beneath your feet, dropping you into a bottomless spiraling pit. No; and I haven’t hit my head on concrete until I couldn’t stand up either. I somehow doubt my brain is worse off for the lack of either experience. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Reality is a different experience for each human. No. Reality is what it is. It’s the same for everyone. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I’m still but an infant in the course of eternity, but I know where I come from and I know where I am going. How dare you tell me otherwise! How dare you! - Yawn \* There’s nothing “daring” about pointing out in this thread that there is no God and there is no afterlife. That’s what all the evidence shows, like it or not. You want to know where you are going ? Assuming immortality isn’t cracked by science relatively soon, you’ll die, and you’ll be nonexistent. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/88 "2009-03-30T02:04:34Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > in your opinion! …but I guess since you choose not to believe in God and the Word of God that your opinion is all you have… pity. > > all I have to say to that is… just wait… as It is written “Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord”… just wait and see. > > You and I obviously don’t have the same first parents. I’m sorry to burst your bubble of “scientific fact”, son, but I am a descendant of Adam and Eve. I don’t doubt that some men were evolved from primates and multiplied throughout the Earth… but, I’m not one of those men. My first parents were created in the image and likeness of the Holy Trinity and first father was created from the dust of the ground and first mother was created from his rib. OH! this is a great opportunity for me to mention the fact I believe in EBEs… that’s Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, for those who weren’t aware. Laugh and shake your head if you will… but tell me, since you are obviously more intelligent than I, what creatures dwell in the seas of Neptune? What is the name of the lonely yellow star which rests on the edge of the universe? While we’re on the subject of stars, what is the EXACT total of heavenly bodies? I will eagerly be waiting your answers. > > obviously, Der, you’ve never tripped on LSD and experienced everything you recognized as reality crumble right beneath your feet, dropping you into a bottomless spiraling pit. Don’t sit there and tell me how I’ve experienced life. I’m sure I’ve got experiences on you that you may never experience, but vice versa… and not all my experiences were with mind altering substances. DO NOT EVER TELL ANYONE WHAT THEY HAVE OR HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED! you don’t know me at all, friend. All you know is what I choose to reveal in what I type. You see ignorance when you read what I type, I see foolishness and hopelessness on top of ignorance when I read what you type. I am sure you are an intelligent Human specimen… but to tell me what reality id, when you yourself aren’t fully aware, is rather presumptuous. Reality is a different experience for each human. Reality is life, my friend, and some people just don’t get life. > > Oh… and isn’t it a fact that the best science is experience? I’m still but an infant in the course of eternity, but I know where I come from and I know where I am going. How dare you tell me otherwise! How dare you! Yay! We finally get to the debate! LQ, how a debate is done, you pose that you are a descendant of Adam & Eve. Adam & Eve is a fable. You have to prove that Adam & Eve existed before you can say you are a descendant of them. Please provide a cite that proves they exist, AND NO IT CANNOT BE THE BIBLE. I’m guessing you aren’t Asian. If Adam & Eve are the original bloodline for everyone, how did all those millions of Asians acquire a dual epicanthic fold on they’re eyelids? If you are white like a southern bible-basher, you probably didn’t come from Adam & eve either. You’d most likely look like an Egyptian. Dark eyes, have you? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/89 "2009-03-30T02:11:09Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I’m guessing you aren’t Asian. If Adam & Eve are the original bloodline for everyone, > how did all those millions of Asians acquire a dual epicanthic fold on they’re eyelids? Perhaps he thinks that they are one of those other, lesser groups of people that evolved from animals instead of being made in God’s image like him. ---
**Author:** ![Lacunae\_Quell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lacunae\_Quell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lacunae_Quell)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/90 "2009-03-30T02:14:52Z")
Originally Posted by Lacunas Quell CS Lewis said Jesus was either a “Liar, Lunatic, or Lord”. I have chosen to believe He is Lord… i can find no reason to believe He was a liar or a lunatic. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > This implies that your beliefs are based upon reason, not faith. If you beliefs were based on faith alone, it would be unnecessary for you to have a reason for what you believe; faith requires no proof, so a reason is redundant. So I can only conclude that your faith is weak, and requires additional support for you to maintain your belief; that is why you need a reason to to believe Jesus is lord. If you had faith as small as a mustard seed, you would need no reason. Our minds are tools of reasoning. With our minds we make choices based on what we believe will result in the best outcome for ourselves and those we care for and love. My ability of reasoning and my faith do not cancel one or the other, or each other out. “Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen”. I have reasoned with myself and come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is Historical fact, because men have written about Him and not all were Christian. I have used reasoning to determine that there is absolutely NO reason to believe Jesus was a liar, because liars go to hell, Jesus would have been a hypocrite… and people were willing to die for Jesus… if people were willing to die for Jesus He was either the greatest conman who ever lived, or He practiced truth and showed the truth to people, and set them free. If Jesus was simply a lunatic, He wouldn’t have been crucified… He would’ve simply been whipped and sent along His way to live in seclusion. Therefore my ability to reason leaves me with no other choice but to confess He is Lord. Now that I have come to my CONCLUSION of Jesus Christ, I no longer need to reason, because I now believe, without doubt and through faith, that Jesus Christ is Lord, died for my sins and was resurrected from the dead. My faith is what I am hoping for… the things I can’t see but know will come to me because they have been promised, and I no longer have to reason with myself to believe in God because once I made my choice, I was given the down payment. Like I told Der… don’t tell me what I have or have not experienced. Have you ever experienced the down payment you receive upon being born again? I have and I still have it, and it will be with me for all eternity. I cannot tell you what the down payment is exactly. But it’s worth it. It’s a kind of peace and comfort… and that’s about all I can say… sorry. While I don’t have anything to hide or keep secret, you wouldn’t believe me if I told you. Just like you doubt my faith. It would be futile to tell you anything more. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You may not be a liar, but you are mistaken. Says who? You… about… 10 other people on this website and maybe 20 on another website? Compared to the 500+ Christians I have been around in my life do you really think telling me I am mistaken is going to make me jump out of my chair and say “By Golly! All this wasted time having faith in Christ and hoping for eternal life… I could have been having promiscuous sex with beautiful girls and doing any drug of my choice and living life however I want… I was so mistaken”? I think not my friend because not only have I lived that life but I know what I’ve experienced in life, and for you to tell me otherwise is presumptuous. You know what I’ve noticed about Christians and anti-Christs? Christians want to share their Joy and Happiness and Faith and Truth and Eternity with everyone and anyone! Anti-Christs would love nothing more than to rob those people of their Joy and Happiness and Faith and Truth and Eternity. I’m telling you though… you can’t convince me or deceive me into believing my faith is vain. It is because of the people who believe that strengthen my faith, and it is because of the people who believe not which strengthen my faith even more. so if your ultimate goal was to try and trip me up in my OWN words, words that I am well aware I am typing and words that you try to twist me up in to make me look foolish, I’ll have you know that it’s kiddie stuff that only non-believers get a kick out of. Because non-believers can’t understand what a true born again believer experiences by putting their faith in Christ because you continuously try to rob it from those who have it and you attempt to rip up their hopes and faith right in front of their eyes instead of accepting the gift when it is offered to you. You have to learn that for someone who truly believes, that stuff doesn’t work. Ever heard the saying “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em”? I seriously hope you start considering joining… you CANNOT beat us. If God is for us, what or who could possibly be against us? thank you. =] p.s. thank you so much for inspiring my next thread! ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/91 "2009-03-30T02:14:53Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Perhaps he thinks that they are one of those other, lesser groups of people that evolved from animals instead of being made in God’s image like him. Most likely. We’ll be hearing “they are descendants of Godzilla!”😃 Serioulsly, LQ, Adam & Eve have all these sons, grandsons, great-grandsons… Where were the women that gave brith to them? Who’d they fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/92 "2009-03-30T02:38:02Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > CS Lewis said Jesus was either a “Liar, Lunatic, or Lord”. I have chosen to believe He is Lord… i can find no reason to believe He was a liar or a lunatic. The fact that he talked about how an invisible man in the sky was his daddy might be a clue. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > My ability of reasoning and my faith do not cancel one or the other, or each other out. Yes, they do. Faith and reason are opposites and enemies. For example : > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I have used reasoning to determine that there is absolutely NO reason to believe Jesus was a liar, because liars go to hell, Jesus would have been a hypocrite… and people were willing to die for Jesus… if people were willing to die for Jesus He was either the greatest conman who ever lived, or He practiced truth and showed the truth to people, and set them free. If Jesus was simply a lunatic, He wouldn’t have been crucified… He would’ve simply been whipped and sent along His way to live in seclusion. Therefore my ability to reason leaves me with no other choice but to confess He is Lord. Complete nonsense. Jesus didn’t do anything more impressive than any number of other con men/lunatics. Plenty of people have died for the lies of others, for example, not just for Jesus’s lies. Nor is there any reason to think that the Romans wouldn’t crucify a lunatic if they felt like it. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Now that I have come to my CONCLUSION of Jesus Christ, I no longer need to reason, because I now believe, without doubt and through faith, that Jesus Christ is Lord, died for my sins and was resurrected from the dead. You never started reasoning. You just decided it was so, you just declared your impossible fantasy to be true and that was that. That’s what faith is; the substitution of fantasy for facts and reason. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Like I told Der… don’t tell me what I have or have not experienced. Have you ever experienced the down payment you receive upon being born again? I have and I still have it, and it will be with me for all eternity. I cannot tell you what the down payment is exactly. But it’s worth it. It’s a kind of peace and comfort… and that’s about all I can say… sorry. In other words, your delusion makes you feel good. And you don’t care, or are incapable of caring if it’s true or not. You don’t care that it’s utterly baseless. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > While I don’t have anything to hide or keep secret, you wouldn’t believe me if I told you. Just like you doubt my faith. It would be futile to tell you anything more. In other words, you want yes men. You can’t reveal the “truth” to anyone who doesn’t already agree with you. That’s one of the many problems with believing utter nonsense; it doesn’t survive the presence of skeptics very well. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Says who? You… about… 10 other people on this website and maybe 20 on another website? Compared to the 500+ Christians I have been around in my life do you really think telling me I am mistaken is going to make me jump out of my chair and say “By Golly! All this wasted time having faith in Christ and hoping for eternal life… I could have been having promiscuous sex with beautiful girls and doing any drug of my choice and living life however I want… I was so mistaken”? No, I don’t think you and your fellow believers are capable of responding to facts or reason. Nothing will convince you, no matter how obviously wrong you are. And I notice you just had to falsely equate being an unbeliever with being a promiscuous drug user. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > You know what I’ve noticed about Christians and anti-Christs? Christians want to share their Joy and Happiness and Faith and Truth and Eternity with everyone and anyone! Quite often at the point of a sword or gun, historically. Christians want to spread their religion, because spreading itself at humanity’s expense is what Christianity does. It’s a disease, the psychological version of a virus or parasite. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Anti-Christs would love nothing more than to rob those people of their Joy and Happiness and Faith and Truth and Eternity. Ah, again with the “Unbelievers are evil !” bit. We can’t possibly just think you are WRONG. We have to be driven by malice. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Because non-believers can’t understand what a true born again believer experiences by putting their faith in Christ because you continuously try to rob it from those who have it and you attempt to rip up their hopes and faith right in front of their eyes instead of accepting the gift when it is offered to you. You have to learn that for someone who truly believes, that stuff doesn’t work. Ever heard the saying “If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em”? I seriously hope you start considering joining… you CANNOT beat us. If God is for us, what or who could possibly be against us? Reality. Truth. Sanity. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/93 "2009-03-30T02:39:07Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > But who shot the deputy? Judas? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/94 "2009-03-30T02:40:13Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I seriously hope you start considering joining… you CANNOT beat us. What is the one sin your lord says is unforgivable? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/95 "2009-03-30T02:48:05Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Most likely. We’ll be hearing “they are descendants of Godzilla!”😃 > > Serioulsly, LQ, Adam & Eve have all these sons, grandsons, great-grandsons… > Where were the women that gave brith to them? Who’d they fuck? I’m a descendent of Adam and Steve… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/96 "2009-03-30T02:49:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Judas? That bastard… ---
**Author:** ![Lacunae\_Quell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lacunae\_Quell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lacunae_Quell)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/97 "2009-03-30T02:51:13Z")
Lacunas Quell I believe I am one of the most intelligent persons alive(Lacunas is proof of that fo’shizzle, lol), and who are you to say I am not? Go ahead. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, just not being aware of the difference of human and apes descending from a common ancestor from humans descending from the apes is enough evidence to show that you are an ignorant. > > To me one big test of the intelligence of others will show in their capacity to also noticing and acknowledging and dealing with contradictory evidence. > > So, do you know the difference? (no, showing what \*\*some \*\*researches think is only going away from the consensus). > > Looking at the reply to \*\*glee \*\*I can see that you only want to deal with beliefs and not what the evidence and the majority of researchers are currently reporting on how human evolution and biblical research are taking place. Your reply to \*\*glee \*\*was just made also of veiled insults. Doing a proper debate is clearly the last of your intentions. > BTW the Romans killed Jesus. And then by destroying Jerusalem they unwillingly were a factor in making Christians to become a separate group from Jews. I never stated I didn’t believe men evolved from a primate ancestor, because I do. There is Scientific fact, and who am I to argue with Scientific fact? I do, however, believe I am a descendant of Adam and Eve, the first man and first woman, created in the image of the Holy Trinity. Who are you to argue with God? Who are you to argue against the faith of another person? Foolish, hopeless, and ignorant? If I believe in Evolution and Creation, two of the biggest contradictions mankind has ever debated, that must either make me really stupid or very intelligent. I don’t think it makes me either. I believe what I believe. Do you really believe life has no purpose? Do you really believe we don’t have a Creator with a plan? I can’t believe how little a percentage of fact of our infinite universe Science proves, yet how much people put their faith in Science over a Creator. Tell me, how much does man know about the universe through Scientific fact? I’ll tell you how much God knows about the universe. Everything. I don’t care what your pathetic Scientific evidence proves, because I know there are things it has YET to prove. Scientific fact will never figure out the way the mind and brain works. It has still not been proven with Scientific fact the exact way the chemicals in our brain works, yet our brains continue to function and our lives go on without knowing… sure there are theories and some facts and what have you, but a theory is only as good as an opinion, and facts are only worth what people are willing to believe. I know, as a fact, that Jesus Christ is alive and well. I know as a fact that Jesus Christ is sitting at the right hand of the Father, making intercessions for every human soul. I know for a fact, yet that fact is worthless to you. Just as your Scientific facts are worthless to me, because Scientific fact IS NOT what grants me the gift of waking up in the mornings to live another day. You and Glee have no desire to debate… your only desire is to win and/or look more intelligent. I hate to break it to you… but… you can’t win. You can look intelligent and yap all day about Scientific fact for all I care… but when a little girl with a diagnosed brain tumor goes back to the hospital, only to have her head scanned to reveal that what once was a tumor the size of a grapefruit has completely vanished without a trace… I would like to see your precious Scientific facts explain that. Of course, you would never hear about something like that on the news… because Scientific fact can’t explain it… and God only knows that Scientific fact is the ultimate and absolute truth. Gotta newsflash for you… God created Science. What few Scientific facts man does know was knowledge granted to men through the Will of God. You ought to be thanking God for creating science and facts since you love it so much. I won’t deny a Scientific fact… but when it comes between choosing Scientific “fact” and what God says… I’m sorry… I have to choose the Creator over the creation. With God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. With Scientific fact… all that is possible is what you can prove. BTW! Jesus wasn’t killed or murdered by anyone. He laid down His life, freely giving His life. No one took Jesus’ life. Why? How do I know? Because Jesus is alive. If anyone took His life Jesus would be dead. But Jesus is alive! He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today! He walks with me and talks with me along life’s narrow way. He lives! He lives! Salvation to impart. You ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart. =) peace and love, friend. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/98 "2009-03-30T02:57:18Z")
I can’t help but hear the voice of Mojo Jojo from the Power Puff Girls when he replies. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/99 "2009-03-30T02:58:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m a descendent of Adam and Steve… To quote from The Parking Lot Is Full “The fall _was_ about sex. God never forgave the human race for choosing hetersoexuality.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/100 "2009-03-30T03:06:17Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I hate to break it to you… but… you can’t win. You can look intelligent and yap all day about Scientific fact for all I care… but when a little girl with a diagnosed brain tumor goes back to the hospital, only to have her head scanned to reveal that what once was a tumor the size of a grapefruit has completely vanished without a trace… I would like to see your precious Scientific facts explain that. Piffle, there is even a name for that, spontaneous cancer remission, it is rare, but there is no reason to assign that to a deity. > **["Miraculous Recoveries" | Quackwatch](https://quackwatch.org/related/Cancer/miracles/)** > > If you hear that an "alternative" method has produced "miraculous" recoveries from cancer, you should be skeptical. There are at least f ... ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168/101 "2009-03-30T03:08:54Z")
> [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I do, however, believe I am a descendant of Adam and Eve, the first man and first woman, created in the image of the Holy Trinity. Who are you to argue with God? Someone who is real, and therefore superior to God. And judging from the myths about him, even if he was real I’m morally superior to him, by far. As are most people. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Who are you to argue against the faith of another person? Foolish, hopeless, and ignorant? No, I’m someone who regards faith as being either foolish or insane, and certainly not worth respect. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Do you really believe life has no purpose? Do you really believe we don’t have a Creator with a plan? We have whatever purpose we choose to give ourselves. There’s no rational reason to believe in a creator, and if one did exist I have no desire to follow any “Plan”. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I can’t believe how little a percentage of fact of our infinite universe Science proves, yet how much people put their faith in Science over a Creator. Tell me, how much does man know about the universe through Scientific fact? I’ll tell you how much God knows about the universe. Everything. And do you have any evidence that there is a God, much less that he knows everything ? Of course not. I put my trust in science over God and religion because science is real, and it works. God is a delusion, and religion is reliably wrong. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I don’t care what your pathetic Scientific evidence proves, because I know there are things it has YET to prove. As opposed to religion, which has yet to prove anything at all ? > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Scientific fact will never figure out the way the mind and brain works. It has still not been proven with Scientific fact the exact way the chemicals in our brain works, yet our brains continue to function and our lives go on without knowing… sure there are theories and some facts and what have you, but a theory is only as good as an opinion, and facts are only worth what people are willing to believe. A theory isn’t “only as good as an opinion”. And facts aren’t “only worth what people are willing to believe”. And there’s no reason to think that the mind and brain are some unsolvable problem. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > I know, as a fact, that Jesus Christ is alive and well. I know as a fact that Jesus Christ is sitting at the right hand of the Father, making intercessions for every human soul. I know for a fact, yet that fact is worthless to you. Because it’s not a fact. It’s just an empty claim. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > You can look intelligent and yap all day about Scientific fact for all I care… but when a little girl with a diagnosed brain tumor goes back to the hospital, only to have her head scanned to reveal that what once was a tumor the size of a grapefruit has completely vanished without a trace… I would like to see your precious Scientific facts explain that. Easy; her own body destroyed the tumor. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Of course, you would never hear about something like that on the news… because Scientific fact can’t explain it… and God only knows that Scientific fact is the ultimate and absolute truth. Actually, you hear that sort of thing on the news, if it’s someone well known enough for the news to care. And the news is heavily biased FOR religion, not against it. As for truth; science is the best tool for discovering truth humanity has. As opposed to religion, which is a tool for denying truth, and is relentlessly wrong. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > Gotta newsflash for you… God created Science. What few Scientific facts man does know was knowledge granted to men through the Will of God. You ought to be thanking God for creating science and facts since you love it so much. :rolleyes: God didn’t create science, we did. God didn’t create anything; he’s just a primitive fantasy. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > BTW! Jesus wasn’t killed or murdered by anyone. He laid down His life, freely giving His life. No one took Jesus’ life. Why? How do I know? Because Jesus is alive. If anyone took His life Jesus would be dead. But Jesus is alive! Assuming he ever actually existed, he’s long, long dead. > [@Lacunas Quell](#): > > He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today! He walks with me and talks with me along life’s narrow way. He lives! He lives! Salvation to impart. You ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart. In other words, he’s your imaginary friend. Do you have a security blanket and suck your thumb too ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/491168.md?page=6)