# Who killed Jesus? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [January 1, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033 "2012-01-01T12:43:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![djpapendry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@djpapendry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/djpapendry)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/1 "2012-01-01T12:43:38Z")
BOY! You sure take the long road to answer a question that Jesus Himself answered when He walked among us. Have you not read, Luke 18:32,33? "For He will be delivered to the GENTILES…vs 33, THEY will scourge HIM and KILL HIM! From His lips to your ears. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/2 "2012-01-01T12:54:31Z")
Presumably, from this column: [Who killed Jesus?](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2011/who-killed-jesus) ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/3 "2012-01-01T13:16:04Z")
I cannot tell a lie. We killed him because he didn’t want to become a doctor. – (signed) Morty ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/4 "2012-01-01T13:55:05Z")
Great article. Can’t believe I had never read it before. So… It was Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with a lead pipe… right? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/5 "2012-01-01T14:01:30Z")
His Dad? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/6 "2012-01-01T14:11:06Z")
> [@djpapendry](#): > > BOY! You sure take the long road to answer a question that Jesus Himself answered when He walked among us. Have you not read, Luke 18:32,33? "For He will be delivered to the GENTILES…vs 33, THEY will scourge HIM and KILL HIM! > From His lips to your ears. Ummm. Yeah, but other books of the New Testament make other claims. From the Staff Report: > [@](#): > > Each author had his own biases and agenda. The authors of the gospels weren’t writing objective history; they were trying to convert a particular audience, and their words reflect that. Luke’s account (as mentioned in the Staff Report, although not by name) was written to appeal to Jews, to accept Jesus as their Messiah. He therefore blames the Romans (“the gentiles.”) John’s account was written to appeal to Romans (and others) who had no knowledge of Jewish politics, and so he blames “the Jews.” The Staff Report attempts to look past the preachiness and political perspectives of the different Gospel writers and put together a coherent story (based on what we know of Roman law at the time, as well.) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/7 "2012-01-01T16:54:40Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > His Dad? So his father sent him to be killed and his mother never had sex with anyone. Isn’t that a reverse Oedipus Complex? ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/8 "2012-01-01T22:06:07Z")
Oh, please! This entire thread is pointless. No one doubts that the Romans performed the _act_. The issue is how much of the initiative came from: [ul] [li]the (largely collaborationist) Temple power structure,[/li][li]Pontius Pilate, and[/li][li]the (largely Jewish) holiday-morning mob (which some have suggested may have been arranged for and primed ahead of time).[/li][/ul] (Historically, there has also been a belief among some Christians that the Jewish people bear a collective guilt for actions by some of their ancestors, but there have always been Christians who denied it, and nowadays it is a belief held only by troglodytes; I believe it is officially a heresy in RCism, at least since the 1960s.) ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/9 "2012-01-01T23:31:30Z")
I don’t think heresy would be the term, since as far as I’m aware Churches which hold that view remain in communion with the Vatican. It had its basis in [this document](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostra_Aetate#Summary_of_the_final_text_of_Nostra_Aetate) as far as I’m aware. The people that carry the belief that the [iniquities of the father](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat) are carried over several generations to its logical conclusion [are excommunicated](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_the_Society_of_St._Pius_X) though. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/10 "2012-01-01T23:41:25Z")
> [@John\_W.Kennedy](#): > > (Historically, there has also been a belief among some Christians that the Jewish people bear a collective guilt for actions by some of their ancestors, but there have always been Christians who denied it, and nowadays it is a belief held only by troglodytes; I believe it is officially a heresy in RCism, at least since the 1960s.) Blather. Jew=Christ Killer has been an epithet throughout the history of Christianity and the Vatican has done nothing whatsoever to combat it in any serious way. This is apologizing for the indefensible. And exactly why the term apologetics has almost totally lost its formal meaning and been replaced by the common meaning. ---
**Author:** ![qazwart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/5fc32e/32.png) [@qazwart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/qazwart)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/11 "2012-01-02T03:38:53Z")
I just want be on record and say that I didn’t do it, and if I was there, I would have stopped it. Now, please don’t hurt me. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/12 "2012-01-02T12:50:57Z")
> [@](#): > > I would have stopped it. The funny thing is that if you did, according to the meagre theology I’ve come across (mostly third hand), God would not be able to complete the necessary blood sacrifice. That means people would still bear the sin and wouldn’t be entitled to eternal life as far as I’m aware (not sure if everyone would go to Sheol or Hades or oblivion)… So there’s a sort of paradox. Maybe there’s an argument that the individual that would kill Jesus _should_ damn themselves on Utilitarian grounds: eternal hellfire for themselves, salvation for everyone else that follows Christ afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Know\_Nothing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f04885/32.png) [@I\_Know\_Nothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Know_Nothing)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/13 "2012-01-02T16:54:43Z")
> [@qazwart](#): > > I just want be on record and say that I didn’t do it, and if I was there, I would have stopped it. > > Now, please don’t hurt me. The Sarah Silverman approach is much more cathartic. from [here](http://comedy-quotes.com/sarah-silverman/jesus_is_magic.html) If you want to read the whole thing you need to click on “show quote.” Its hidden because of the language and extremely offensive nature. I don’t care. Good. I hope the Jews did kill Christ. I’d do it again, I’d fucking do it again in a second. ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/14 "2012-01-03T01:16:06Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Blather. Jew=Christ Killer has been an epithet throughout the history of Christianity and the Vatican has done nothing whatsoever to combat it in any serious way. Apart from, y’know, officially declaring that it was wrong and evil. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/15 "2012-01-03T02:20:53Z")
> [@John\_W.Kennedy](#): > > Apart from, y’know, officially declaring that it was wrong and evil. And the U.S. passed a law or two against segregation, which totally wiped it out in the country and erased all past history as well, thereby officially absolving it of any complicity. ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/16 "2012-01-03T22:28:02Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > And the U.S. passed a law or two against segregation, which totally wiped it out in the country and erased all past history as well, thereby officially absolving it of any complicity. So you’re maintaining that the US “has done nothing whatsoever to combat it in any serious way?” ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/17 "2012-01-04T00:47:34Z")
> [@John\_W.Kennedy](#): > > So you’re maintaining that the US “has done nothing whatsoever to combat it in any serious way?” Quite the reverse. I’m saying that a declaration against evil alone is utterly worthless without actively and persistently and pervasively fighting that evil. If ever in my lifetime I see the Vatican doing that I will applaud. But it has never happened and I never expect it to. ---
**Author:** ![Composer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Composer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Composer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/18 "2012-01-06T01:47:02Z")
In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called “Jesus Christ” ever existed. As Nicholas Carter concludes in The Christ Myth: “No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity.” _(Source: [Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: No Proof of Jesus](http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm))_ ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/19 "2012-01-06T03:11:06Z")
I’m not sure enough words were all caps in the OP. I think I may have missed the point. ---
**Author:** ![Hammered001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/aeb1de/32.png) [@Hammered001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hammered001)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033/20 "2012-01-06T10:48:09Z")
Read Pontius Pilate’s letters to Tiberius Caesar. Read Mrs. Pilate’s letters to Pontius Pilate. I know who killed Jesus. It is not up to me to convince anyone who can only react emotionally and loudly to this answer. Politics and Monarchies are still silencing and murdering our best thinkers in order that ignorance, callousness and paranoia of the masses may continue to rule where no rule is called for. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-killed-jesus/608033.md?page=2)