# Who needs a trial for alleged rapists? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587 "2014-05-16T15:11:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/41 "2014-05-16T18:08:48Z")
That may be true for privates such as Columbia but state institutions can’t force students to sign their rights away. ---
**Author:** ![Macca26](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Macca26](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Macca26)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/42 "2014-05-16T18:13:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > [Argumentum ad ignorantium.](http://www.fallacyfiles.org/ignorant.html) I never said that Columbia for a fact has the problem of trying to keep sexual assault allegations from the police. I said that, “I would not be surprised in the slightest if colleges put pressure on their students to not go to the police.”. My reason for that is because some colleges are now being investigated for that problem. Though honestly, even without an investigation my gut reaction would still be the same. You may correctly assume that I am including Columbia in my list of colleges I would not be surprised about. So yes, I would not be surprised if Columbia was found lacking after investigation. That doesn’t mean they are actually going through bad reporting procedures, just that I personally have no confidence in them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/43 "2014-05-16T18:16:20Z")
Never mind. This was a hijack… ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/44 "2014-05-16T18:18:17Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. And for Og’s sake guys, don’t ever dress like you want to be falsely accused of rape. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/45 "2014-05-16T18:24:08Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. So only have orgies? ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/46 "2014-05-16T18:25:01Z")
> [@Macca26](#): > > You know, there’s a federal investigation going on of a bunch of colleges to find out if they’re sweeping sexual assault cases under the rug and trying to keep the police uninvolved. I would not be surprised in the slightest if colleges put pressure on their students to not go to the police. If they can keep it all inside their closed doors, their reputation won’t get tarnished. Quite the motivator. Link to WaPo article. _55_ colleges are under federal investigation. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-government-releases-list-of-55-colleges-universities-under-title-ix-investigations-over-handling-of-sexual-violence/2014/05/01/e0a74810-d13b-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-government-releases-list-of-55-colleges-universities-under-title-ix-investigations-over-handling-of-sexual-violence/2014/05/01/e0a74810-d13b-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html) And the problem is FAR more widespread than just those 55 institutions. And sadly, going to the cops instead isn’t guaranteed to be better: > **[I Am a False Rape Allegation Statistic - Almost Diamonds](https://the-orbit.net/almostdiamonds/2013/08/23/i-am-a-false-rape-allegation-statistic/)** > > There was so much physical evidence it never crossed my mind that I wouldn’t be believed. These are NOT uncommon stories, yet so many people’s first response is to question the veracity or think she’s lying. Gee, [maybe that’s why 60% of rapes go unreported](http://www.rainn.org/statistics). ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/47 "2014-05-16T18:27:38Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. Do you realize how misogynistic this statement is? You’re implying that women as a whole \*will \*falsely accuse a man of rape if they’re alone together. If you were to insert a saguaro up your dried-out dusty cunt and go for a spin, nobody here would mourn you. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/48 "2014-05-16T18:32:39Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > You’re implying that women as a whole \*will \*falsely accuse a man of rape if they’re alone together. Well, yeah; in her world, all it takes is a handshake. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/49 "2014-05-16T18:32:52Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > And for Og’s sake guys, don’t ever dress like you want to be falsely accused of rape. You win one Internet. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/50 "2014-05-16T19:02:58Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > Do you realize how misogynistic this statement is? I’m going to say yes, he does. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/51 "2014-05-16T19:25:01Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > These are NOT uncommon stories, yet so many people’s first response is to question the veracity or think she’s lying. Gee, [maybe that’s why 60% of rapes go unreported](http://www.rainn.org/statistics). As with any accusation, the burden of proof has to rest with the accuser, not the accused. Now let’s look at the claim you make. You say: “…maybe that’s why 60% of rapes go unreported…” Your offered citation says: > [@RAINN](#): > > Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported. RAINN in turn cites their claim to: “Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2008-2012.” And notice the change from “rape” to “sexual assault.” The National Crime Victimization Survey defines “sexual assault,” as: > [@](#): > > …attacks or attempted attacks generally involving unwanted sexual contact between the victim and offender that may or may not involve force. In other words, an unsuccessful and unwanted attempt to grab the breast of a fellow student is a “sexual assault,” within the meaning of the terms as used by the NCVS, but is not, i hope you will agree, a rape. In short: I do not agree that your citation supports your claim that 60% of rapes go unreported. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/52 "2014-05-16T19:31:16Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > Do you realize how misogynistic this statement is? You’re implying that women as a whole \*will \*falsely accuse a man of rape if they’re alone together. It actually makes sense if you assume that “ZPG” means zero population growth. A ZPG zealot would presumably try to keep people from having children. What better way than to keep them from being alone together? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/53 "2014-05-16T19:35:09Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > And for Og’s sake guys, don’t ever dress like you want to be falsely accused of rape. Have you been drinking? Because, you know, you could get yourself accused that way. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/54 "2014-05-16T19:38:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That may be true for privates such as Columbia but state institutions can’t force students to sign their rights away. Since I have worked for a state university, I can confirm that the process is identical. In fact the process used at most places is one recommended by the Office of Civil Rights. The student gets due process, but this is not a criminal issue. Though, you are correct in that investigative methods must meet the same criteria. If, as a school administrator, I deem a student is a threat to our community, I can take steps even if there are no law enforcement options available. But I do need to hold a hearing, have a uniform set of standards, allow for appeal, etc. Schools, whether they involve the police or not, have to track Title IX cases and submit an annual report to the federal government. The report covers the incident from first report to final disposition. There are also standards for how much time is considered allowable for each step in the process. The largest difference here is that, with sexual cases like this, the school has more leeway to take remedial action regardless of fault. And this is by design. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/55 "2014-05-16T19:41:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m going to say yes, he does. ZPG is a chick who equates unwanted handshakes to rape. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/56 "2014-05-16T19:44:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That may be true for privates such as Columbia but state institutions can’t force students to sign their rights away. Which students and what rights? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/57 "2014-05-16T20:08:48Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > Do you realize how misogynistic this statement is? You’re implying that women as a whole \*will \*falsely accuse a man of rape if they’re alone together. If you were to insert a saguaro up your dried-out dusty cunt and go for a spin, nobody here would mourn you. I think you need to look up the word misogynistic. I am suggesting men apply the same guidelines they hand out to woman all the time about avoiding rape if they want to avoid being accused of beingrapists. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/58 "2014-05-16T20:11:17Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > ZPG is a chick who equates unwanted handshakes to rape. Assault is assault, arguments over the degree of penetration are really just creating excuses for assailants. It’s really sad that as a woman you think appeasing men is more important than protecting other women. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/59 "2014-05-16T20:17:48Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > ZPG is a chick who equates unwanted handshakes to rape. I know who **ZPG Zealot**. She (my mistake) is always saying insane and horrible things about people. Which would be fine if she ever had anything interesting to say about anything ever, but it’s monotonous, boring, and stupid. So I’m not the least bit surprised if she says something horrendously misogynist. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/60 "2014-05-16T20:29:18Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Assault is assault, arguments over the degree of penetration are really just creating excuses for assailants. It’s really sad that as a woman you think appeasing men is more important than protecting other women. I don’t know how they do it where you come from\*, but in my culture, when hands are being shaken no penetration is occurring. \*although “Batshitistan” would be one of my first guesses [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=4)