# Who needs a trial for alleged rapists? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587 "2014-05-16T15:11:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/61 "2014-05-16T20:36:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > What if the university conducts a shoddy investigation or disinterested investigation? What if by the time its internal investigation is complete, memories have faded or evidence is gone and the police have trouble finding the truth? All of which is a long-winded way of referring to the Jameis Winston fiasco. I’m not getting why anyone would go to the university to report a crime. Columbia is not in the middle of nowhere. Its in the middle of Manhattan. It doesn’t really have a clearly defined campus. Drive up Broadway and you start driving through the campus. If you dial 911 you get the NYPD. If I want to report a crime I’m going to the cops and not Columbia security guards.\* We are talking about adults here not children. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Assault is assault, arguments over the degree of penetration are really just creating excuses for assailants. It’s really sad that as a woman you think appeasing men is more important than protecting other women. Do you think a slap is the same as getting hit over the head with a baseball bat? Is the theft of a magazine the same as stealing your life savings? There are common sense reasons why crimes have various grades. Guess I answered my own question. - Many universities have their own police forces fully trained and with full police powers. I’m 98% sure that Columbia University does not have any of their own police officers. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/62 "2014-05-16T20:51:25Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s really sad that as a woman you think appeasing men is more important than protecting other women. How saddened you must be by the fact that the vast majority of women don’t share your batshit insane opinions and simmering hatred for everything with a cock. You are a bigot of the nastiest kind, prejudging based solely on gender. You are cut from the same cloth as the racist who prejudges based solely on skin color. You are a disgrace not only to you sex but to your species. For shame, woman! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/63 "2014-05-16T20:51:57Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m not getting why anyone would go to the university to report a crime. Columbia is not in the middle of nowhere. Its in the middle of Manhattan. It doesn’t really have a clearly defined campus. Drive up Broadway and you start driving through the campus. If you dial 911 you get the NYPD. If I want to report a crime I’m going to the cops and not Columbia security guards.\* We are talking about adults here not children. We’re talking about people who are mostly (not all) legal adults but don’t have that much experience with the legal system and who may be overly worried about getting into trouble if they were drinking, drugging, or partying. Since many of them are still getting used to being on their own, they may also be overly trusting of the university. Even if they’re above the age of majority I think the school is still acting in loco parentis legally. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/64 "2014-05-16T21:49:17Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > How saddened you must be by the fact that the vast majority of women don’t share your batshit insane opinions and simmering hatred for everything with a cock. You are a bigot of the nastiest kind, prejudging based solely on gender. You are cut from the same cloth as the racist who prejudges based solely on skin color. You are a disgrace not only to you sex but to your species. For shame, woman! Nah, she’s got plenty of hating to hand out to women as well. Go dig up some old threads about what she’d do to the evil women who choose to continue a pregnancy when the baby-daddy wants her to have an abortion. Always a fun read on a rainy afternoon! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/65 "2014-05-16T21:56:19Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Assault is assault, arguments over the degree of penetration are really just creating excuses for assailants. It’s really sad that as a woman you think appeasing men is more important than protecting other women. Do you realize that you’re insane? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/66 "2014-05-16T22:16:48Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > Do you realize that you’re insane? I realize that you probably hate women. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/67 "2014-05-16T22:18:42Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I don’t know how they do it where you come from\*, but in my culture, when hands are being shaken no penetration is occurring. > > \*although “Batshitistan” would be one of my first guesses It’s physical contact and if it’s unwanted it’s assault. It’s a really simply concept. Women are human beings. You don’t get to touch them without their permission. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/68 "2014-05-16T22:24:08Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > How saddened you must be by the fact that the vast majority of women don’t share your batshit insane opinions and simmering hatred for everything with a cock. You are a bigot of the nastiest kind, prejudging based solely on gender. You are cut from the same cloth as the racist who prejudges based solely on skin color. You are a disgrace not only to you sex but to your species. For shame, woman! That has got to be one of the stupider things I have heard on this board right up there with Starving Artist’s suggested paper tube experiment. How saddened you must be by the fact that some women see through your lies for the misogynst you are and refuse to tolerate abuse. I like plenty of men and love a few, but they all have one characteristic in common: they respect women. Men like you to whom women’s lives are nothing in the face of male inconvenience, well: You are a disgrace not only to your sex, but to your species. For shame, man! ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/69 "2014-05-16T22:29:53Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Do you think a slap is the same as getting hit over the head with a baseball bat? Is the theft of a magazine the same as stealing your life savings? There are common sense reasons why crimes have various grades. True crimes have various grades, but wouldn’t you agree that to say one type of crime should not be considered a crime because it is not as severe perverts justice. Say someone hits you in the head, it leaves a nasty scar, would you be content with a judge saying the assailant shouldn’t be charge with anything or face any repercussions because well, he or she (so everything’s gender neutral) didn’t kill you? ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/70 "2014-05-16T22:34:01Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s physical contact and if it’s unwanted it’s assault. It’s a really simply concept. Women are human beings. You don’t get to touch them without their permission. What kind of handshake are you talking about? Typically, one person extends their hand and the other person willingly reciprocates. Do you mean the kind where one person extends their hand, the second person does nothing and then the first person grabs the second person’s hand from their side and then shakes it? Cuz I’ve never seen that happen. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/71 "2014-05-16T22:48:14Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I realize that you probably hate women. You’re not helping your cause. I mean, you _get_ that, right? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/72 "2014-05-16T22:50:52Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > What kind of handshake are you talking about? Typically, one person extends their hand and the other person willingly reciprocates. Do you mean the kind where one person extends their hand, the second person does nothing and then the first person grabs the second person’s hand from their side and then shakes it? Cuz I’ve never seen that happen. I have seen that handshakes like you have described happened. it’s happened to me and I’ve had to explain to the police (Human Resources called them, not me) why I slapped the son-of-bitch. More commonly, is the case in which someone tries to force a women who do not shake hands with members of the opposite sex because their religious, cultural, philosophical whatever, beliefs are that individuals of the opposite genders do not touch each other unless they are family, spouses, or it’s necessary to save someone’s life, to touch some unrelated man because he’s an ass and can’t resist the opportunity to make her conform to his will. For a woman who believe it’s unappropriate to have physical contact with a man other than their husband or male relatives, this is literally being asked to violate their marriages same as if their boss demanded a blow job before signing their paycheck. The tradiational etiquette has always been a gentleman waits for a woman to extend her hand to avoid this problem or if he inadvertently mistakes a woman for a man and extends his hand he apologizes immediately and everyone goes on about the day. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/73 "2014-05-16T22:57:45Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > What kind of handshake are you talking about? Typically, one person extends their hand and the other person willingly reciprocates. Do you mean the kind where one person extends their hand, the second person does nothing and then the first person grabs the second person’s hand from their side and then shakes it? Cuz I’ve never seen that happen. It’s the old Marx Brothers handshake: you extend your hand, and Chico grabs it, throws his leg over it, and then shakes it with his other hand. Just like a regular handshake, but with a leg in the middle of it. Kills 'em in Kokomo. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/74 "2014-05-16T23:27:28Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I like plenty of men and love a few, but they all have one characteristic in common: they respect women. I assume that they’re sometimes alone with you. Isn’t that rather dangerous for them, given your advice to men upthread? One can only hope they have good lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/75 "2014-05-16T23:31:23Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Then he can take the school and/or students to court for libel or whatever. These are pieces of paper taped to bathroom stalls, not warnings sent out on administration letterhead. What if instead of paper on a bathroom stall, it was a text from one student to another warning them that another student has a history of behavior that approaches, if not is, sexual assault? They’re both defamation and should give rise to liability. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/76 "2014-05-16T23:34:18Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I have seen that handshakes like you have described happened. it’s happened to me and I’ve had to explain to the police (Human Resources called them, not me) why I slapped the son-of-bitch. […] > [Bunch of seriously crazy shit left out 'cause, damn!] > The tradiational etiquette has always been a gentleman waits for a woman to extend her hand to avoid this problem or if he inadvertently mistakes a woman for a man and extends his hand he apologizes immediately and everyone goes on about the day. Fu-u-uck. That’s it. You’re gonna get invited to my next cocktail party. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/77 "2014-05-16T23:57:43Z")
Okay. And exactly what does it mean that the university found someone on that list responsible. The university didn’t publish the list so it’s possible (quite likely) that the student version of ZPG Zealot shaded the truth just a tad (100%). I really wouldn’t take some lunatic’s version of events as reliable reporting. Come to think of it, that last sentence is not only a good approach for that horrendous list, but also for ZPG Zealot’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/78 "2014-05-17T00:01:32Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I have seen that handshakes like you have described happened. it’s happened to me and I’ve had to explain to the police (Human Resources called them, not me) why I slapped the son-of-bitch. More commonly, is the case in which someone tries to force a women who do not shake hands with members of the opposite sex because their religious, cultural, philosophical whatever, beliefs are that individuals of the opposite genders do not touch each other unless they are family, spouses, or it’s necessary to save someone’s life, to touch some unrelated man because he’s an ass and can’t resist the opportunity to make her conform to his will. For a woman who believe it’s unappropriate to have physical contact with a man other than their husband or male relatives, this is literally being asked to violate their marriages same as if their boss demanded a blow job before signing their paycheck. The tradiational etiquette has always been a gentleman waits for a woman to extend her hand to avoid this problem or if he inadvertently mistakes a woman for a man and extends his hand he apologizes immediately and everyone goes on about the day. And the only reason you didn’t get prosecuted for assault is your gender, probably. Come on! “The proper response for someone of the opposite gender merely offering to touch my hand when I do not want to be touched my someone of the opposite gender is to touch them and touch them hard” is batshit insane of the highest order. The actual, the recommended, the sane response is to simply not touch them. You need professional help. That’s a line that’s tossed around quite casually, but in this case, it’s absolutely correct. You need to see a mental health professional. Oh, don’t worry. There are females in that profession so you don’t have to be sullied by the presence of a dangling genital. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/79 "2014-05-17T00:05:01Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I realize that you probably hate women. Thank you for proving my point. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/80 "2014-05-17T00:14:51Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I realize that you probably hate women. You misspelled _woman_. He doesn’t hate women; no doubt, he just hates you and your insane rants. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=5)