# Who needs a trial for alleged rapists? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587 "2014-05-16T15:11:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/101 "2014-05-17T11:52:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 1. The women who posted the flyers in question are playing fast and loose with the truth, not to mention their choice of words. > > 2. Those same women have no proof that an actual rape has occurred. I don’t think it has been established that women posted the flyers. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/102 "2014-05-17T11:55:41Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I don’t think it has been established that women posted the flyers. Good point. Let’s say _people_ who posted those flyers. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/103 "2014-05-17T13:29:21Z")
Internet 101, first lesson: Do not feed the trolls. If it’s not a troll, it’s insane. Either way, there’s not much to be gained by engaging. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/104 "2014-05-17T17:50:53Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. I assume this is a joke, but if not, what the \*\*\*\*? I don’t know what country you live in, but in civilized countries, we believe in evidence, facts and logic, not convicting people of crimes based on someone’s say-so. Also, I’m fairly cynical about people, but I think better of women than to think most of them are potential false witnesses, and I think better of men than to think most of them are rapists. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/105 "2014-05-17T22:19:58Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. That sounds vastly better in Quranic Arabic. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/106 "2014-05-19T14:37:56Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Assault is assault, arguments over the degree of penetration are really just creating excuses for assailants. It’s really sad that as a woman you think appeasing men is more important than protecting other women. Wow, I thought you were just kidding until now. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > More commonly, is the case in which someone tries to force a women who do not shake hands with members of the opposite sex because their religious, cultural, philosophical whatever, beliefs are that individuals of the opposite genders do not touch each other unless they are family, spouses, or it’s necessary to save someone’s life, to touch some unrelated man because he’s an ass and can’t resist the opportunity to make her conform to his will. For a woman who believe it’s unappropriate to have physical contact with a man other than their husband or male relatives, this is literally being asked to violate their marriages same as if their boss demanded a blow job before signing their paycheck. So you strike me as some sort of feminist and yet you think that these sorts of things are not represswive of women or mysoginistic? I’m going to guess that all these cultures and religions youa re talking about are mysoginistic and repressive of women. > [@](#): > > The tradiational etiquette has always been a gentleman waits for a woman to extend her hand to avoid this problem or if he inadvertently mistakes a woman for a man and extends his hand he apologizes immediately and everyone goes on about the day. I spent a lot of time growing up on the lower east side with a bunch of Hasidic Jewish shopkeepers and maintained the etiquette you were talking about until it was pointed out to me that people were noticing that I didn’t extend my hand to women to shake their hand. So, I corrected a habit that was appropriate in the lower east side but not in the conference room and started shaking everyone’s hand regardless of their genitals. Now you’re telling me that I am forcing myself on these women? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/107 "2014-05-19T15:11:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That’s okay. After all, the incident she “related” simply did not happen. She made it up. I feel kind of silly myself for not recognizing that immediately. Yeah, why does this board forget everything they know about trolls? It is far more likely that she doesn’t believe anything that she is saying than she is that screwed up in her thinking. Someone who actually thought like her would not be able to figure out how to post here. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/108 "2014-05-19T15:36:45Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Can someone explain to me why these women didn’t go to the police? Going to the police would not accomplish their goals of protecting women by informing then of the university’s decision that these are rapists. The only way it would is if there was some sort of prosecution, and that isn’t going to happen if the victims aren’t willing to go forward. If the university is filing allegations as if they are facts, that’s their own problem. If they don’t let the accused even offer their own version of events, that’s their own problem. If they are actually acting in lieu of the court system, they need to offer the basic features of one. I can’t imagine ever seeing an official mark that someone has been decided as being responsible for a rape and not responding with the ire these women did. I put the blame not on them but on the university. The only question is if it’s just something like that, or if they are actually helping cover up rapes. It should be in the university’s best interest to avoid any appearance of impropriety on this subject. The women can only be blamed if they are making things up. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/109 "2014-05-19T17:23:28Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > This doesn’t surprise me. Men with this attitude are the reason women have to live soldiers on the front line to survive. Stop eye-raping me with your text. I didn’t want to see it and you forced it upon me. > [@Monty](#): > > I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT! ZPG Zealot raped a man! Specifically, she “raped” a minister. > > See [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12094747&postcount=57). > > Dang. What’s the new colloquial term for _even crazier than batshit insane_? I think I’ll go with _ZPG crazy_. It’s funny that now that **ZPG Zealot** has been proven to be a rapist she doesn’t come back to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/110 "2014-05-19T18:42:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Now you’re telling me that I am forcing myself on these women? You misunderstood. You’re forcing yourself on everyone. But with the women, it’s _also_ rape. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/111 "2014-05-19T19:22:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I know who **ZPG Zealot**. She (my mistake) is always saying insane and horrible things about people. Which would be fine if she ever had anything interesting to say about anything ever, but it’s monotonous, boring, and stupid. So I’m not the least bit surprised if she says something horrendously misogynist. Hey now. The “handshake rape” thing was foaming-at-the-mouth insane, but it absolutely wasn’t boring! Or the “People who adopt babies legitimately are just child-stealers out to destroy everyone’s lives” Neither was the “illegitmate kids become vampires” one I disagree with a piece of your premise. She’s rarely boring, sometimes monotonous and always stupid, hateful and ignorant. But not boring. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/112 "2014-05-19T21:05:33Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I disagree with a piece of your premise. She’s rarely boring, sometimes monotonous and always stupid, hateful and ignorant. > > But not boring. 😛 I gotta give her credit. I see a lot of stupidity that is potentially contagious. But ZPG, her insane stupidity is just so far out there that Birthers, Moon Landing Hoaxers, anti-caxxers, and 9/11 and Newton truthers seem sane in comparison. All those ideas have taken hold and have found followers - have any of ZPGs? So to her credit, she is not a stupidity disease vector. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/113 "2014-05-19T21:13:01Z")
The simplest progressive solution would be to institute single sex colleges, with forbidding old biddies patrolling the buildings as bulldogs to make sure no men had penetrated. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/114 "2014-05-19T22:12:16Z")
Because older, more dominant women never sexually abuse younger, weaker willed women. Or if they do, it’s okay. Like in the Vagina Monologues. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/115 "2014-05-20T00:08:19Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Neither was the “illegitmate kids become vampires” one I think I missed that one. Could you post a link, please? Oh, and I apologize in advance if, by posting one of the words taken in polite society as…well, as polite rapes you, your eyes, your mind, or sullies your fingers as you type any response. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/116 "2014-05-20T03:24:24Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I think I missed that one. Could you post a link, please? > > Oh, and I apologize in advance if, by posting one of the words taken in polite society as…well, as polite rapes you, your eyes, your mind, or sullies your fingers as you type any response. 😃 [Here you go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13353753&postcount=51) To be fair, she says her grandparents believed it, not her, but she seems like she has a negative view towards illegitimate children. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/117 "2014-05-20T04:35:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > [Here you go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13353753&postcount=51) To be fair, she says her grandparents believed it, not her, but she seems like she has a negative view towards illegitimate children. Thanks. That’s some serious crazy, there. And it reinforces my resolve to never believe anything ZPGZ posts without independent corroboration. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/118 "2014-05-20T12:43:28Z")
In other news, it turns out that those Duke lacrosse players [really were rapists](http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304081804579558413534190406?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304081804579558413534190406.html), because they had good lawyers and besides, we’ll never really know the whole truth anyway. The D.A., Mike Nifong was a hero. If you believe otherwise, you’re a hater. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/119 "2014-05-20T14:22:09Z")
I haven’t listened to Cohan’s interview with Diane Rehm, but his Daily Show appearance was…[interesting](http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/j8nyp9/exclusive---william-d--cohan-extended-interview-pt--1). ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/120 "2014-05-20T14:27:10Z")
He also thinks people shouldn’t be allowed to write bad reviews of his books before they’ve had time to read them properly and implies that he should be able to sue them for it. > **[How Much Freedom of Speech is Too Much?](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-much-freedom-of-speec_b_5353325)** > > We're are at a crucial moment where the ability of technology to permit instant, unvetted and unfiltered commentary is running head-first into the justified concerns of those whose reputations can be torn asunder unfairly by it. It's a conundrum for... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=7)