# Who needs a trial for alleged rapists? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587 "2014-05-16T15:11:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/121 "2014-05-20T18:06:24Z")
These [Kangaroo Burn them at the stake trials](http://www.prlog.org/12325264-students-accused-of-rape-can-fight-back-court-oks-suits-against-university-employees-and-female.html) should be coming to an end soon. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/122 "2014-05-20T19:04:48Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Thanks. That’s some serious crazy, there. And it reinforces my resolve to never believe anything ZPGZ posts without independent corroboration. I’d then question the independent corroboration. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/123 "2014-05-20T19:20:29Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > These [Kangaroo Burn them at the stake trials](http://www.prlog.org/12325264-students-accused-of-rape-can-fight-back-court-oks-suits-against-university-employees-and-female.html) should be coming to an end soon. Wow. I didn’t know how this fucked up situation could get any worse, but there it is. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/124 "2014-05-20T19:45:30Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Because older, more dominant women never sexually abuse younger, weaker willed women. Or if they do, it’s okay. Like in the Vagina Monologues. You misspelled “thirteen-year-old girls” if I remember TLCSTC correctly, though it got rewritten later. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/125 "2014-05-20T22:27:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT! ZPG Zealot raped a man! Specifically, she “raped” a minister. > > See [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12094747&postcount=57). > > Dang. What’s the new colloquial term for _even crazier than batshit insane_? I think I’ll go with _ZPG crazy_. You can’t rape the willing and I wanted him away from my shop. I also had gloves on at the time, so flesh did not touch flesh though I doubt the more primitive minds of among you could understand the distinction. Seriously, the fact that you have such a problem with a woman refusing to touch your hand indicates the gesture carries considerably more social implications in your mind than a minor ritual. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/126 "2014-05-20T22:28:39Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Seriously, the fact that you have such a problem with a woman refusing to touch your hand indicates the gesture carries considerably more social implications in your mind than a minor ritual. Nah, I think it’s the handshake = rape bit… ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/127 "2014-05-20T22:30:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Hopefully, only ZPGZ was. Her victim did nothing wrong other than extend his hand. You know, like an actual gentleman would have done. An actual gentleman does not extend his hand until a woman does. And the asshole got fired and I am still employed by the same university. I later heard his previous office had problems of the unwanted touching nature with him. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/128 "2014-05-20T22:31:55Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Nah, she’s got plenty of hating to hand out to women as well. Go dig up some old threads about what she’d do to the evil women who choose to continue a pregnancy when the baby-daddy wants her to have an abortion. > > Always a fun read on a rainy afternoon! 😃 Yes, because it’s so much less evil to force a man to support a child he never wanted. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/129 "2014-05-20T22:34:30Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > I assume this is a joke, but if not, what the \*\*\*\*? > > I don’t know what country you live in, but in civilized countries, we believe in evidence, facts and logic, not convicting people of crimes based on someone’s say-so. > > Also, I’m fairly cynical about people, but I think better of women than to think most of them are potential false witnesses, and I think better of men than to think most of them are rapists. It’s mocking the kind of advice people always give women to avoid sexual assault: Never walk alone, never walk at night, never do your laundry in a laundry room late at night when there are no other people around, etc. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/130 "2014-05-20T22:42:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Hopefully, only ZPGZ was. Her victim did nothing wrong other than extend his hand. You know, like an actual gentleman would have done. He grabbed my hand deliberately because he knew I did not touch men other than my husband. He was told this in front of witnesses immediately before grabbing mine. It absolutely was inappropriate. unprofessional behavior, possibly even a hate crime, because there is a history of animousity between our ethnic groups, so there absolutely was grounds for firing him. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/131 "2014-05-20T23:05:25Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > An actual gentleman does not extend his hand until a woman does. Based on what etiquette rules exactly? Please provide cites aside from your say so. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/132 "2014-05-20T23:12:28Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If I take a day off, the rapists win. Seriously, gentlemen (and I am really compliementing some of you with that term), if you don’t want to be accused of rape, don’t put yourself in positions where you’re alone with a woman. I’m sure I’m not the first to bring this up but… You are an odd, odd person. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/133 "2014-05-21T00:01:52Z")
Yeah, like those posts will make me believe anything she says. Looks more like digging a hole deeper, especially the one about wearing gloves at the time. So I guess that means if a man’s wearing a condom, then there’s really no sex happening. She’s dumber than dirt. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/134 "2014-05-21T00:05:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > An actual gentleman does not extend his hand until a woman does. Bullshit. > [@](#): > > And the asshole got fired and I am still employed by the same university. Self-contradictory statement as you happen to be the asshole in this story (and I use the term ‘story’ advisedly). At any rate, if the story were true, then the university would be open for a great lawsuit. > [@](#): > > I later heard his previous office had problems of the unwanted touching nature with him. You’re really not up on the idea that gossip =/= evidence, are you? Keep digging. You might even make it all the way to the country in which I reside. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/135 "2014-05-21T00:16:03Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You can’t rape the willing and I wanted him away from my shop. I also had gloves on at the time, so flesh did not touch flesh though I doubt the more primitive minds of among you could understand the distinction. Seriously, the fact that you have such a problem with a woman refusing to touch your hand indicates the gesture carries considerably more social implications in your mind than a minor ritual. I strongly suggest you learn how to read for comprehension. I have no problem with a women refusing to shake my hand, a woman offering to shake my hand, or a man refusing or offering to shake my hand. What I have a problem with is your hypocrisy. Oh, and your lying your ass off on this board is either a problem or great entertainment, depending on one’s point of view. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/136 "2014-05-21T00:37:02Z")
Why, **Monty** , why? Did you not learn from Cervantes cautionary tale? For comparisons sake: [Normal internet troll](http://www.blogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Internet-Troll.jpg) [**ZPG Zealot**](http://www.kaijuaddicts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/XPlus-Godzilla-62-NightSky-Big.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/137 "2014-05-21T01:00:12Z")
Thing is if someone sticks up some posters accusing people of things you can bet it is not official policy of the college and would get taken down pretty quick AND persons doing that could be either sued or fall under student code policies and disciplined. But then, back when I was in college we had stuff appearing all the time in different places. People got pretty good and sneaky about finding ways to put up a sign without being caught. But again, the college would take it down or clean it up as fast as possible. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/138 "2014-05-21T01:40:29Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s physical contact and if it’s unwanted it’s assault. It’s a really simply concept. Women are human beings. You don’t get to touch them without their permission. Sure I do. I do it all the time. Especially in a crowded subway. Oh yeah… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/139 "2014-05-21T01:58:16Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I also had gloves on at the time, so flesh did not touch flesh though I doubt the more primitive minds of among you could understand the distinction. So then wearing a condom precludes rape? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2014, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587/140 "2014-05-21T04:39:37Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So then wearing a condom precludes rape? See post 133. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-needs-a-trial-for-alleged-rapists/688587.md?page=8)