# Who REALLY framed Roger Rabbit? The Villain's original Identity **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 4, 2003, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970 "2003-03-04T08:46:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/21 "2003-03-06T02:04:37Z")
Do you also have a link to Donald using an offensive racial slur to describe Daffy? I heard it pulledout of the film once, and I would swear Donald did say “Goddamn stupid n\*\*\*\*\*.” ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/22 "2003-03-06T02:14:29Z")
[Snopes has all the answers.](http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/donald.htm) (And you don’t have to read anything from that pompous, condescending, obnoxious Jim Hill.) ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/23 "2003-03-22T20:53:00Z")
In their review of the DVD, the March 28 _Entertainment Weekly_ features this tidbit from the filmmakers’ commentary: > [@](#): > > Funniest fact: The screenwriters wanted to reveal villain Judge Doom (Christopher Lloyd) as the man who’d shot the mama deer in _Bambi_, but Disney execs nixed the idea. The Elmer Fudd guess wasn’t that far off… ---
**Author:** ![rjk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@rjk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjk)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/24 "2003-03-23T03:56:56Z")
I haven’t read the thread yet. After looking up the book at the Vancouver library, i found the record pointing _at the movie_! Yes, they heard about it. But today I went to the Burnaby library, and they have two copies. For some reason, they’re both at another branch, instead of the main one I was at, but I’ll be getting it Monday night! I’ll be back as soon as I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Manasaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Manasaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manasaurus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2004, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/25 "2004-09-03T05:02:42Z")
> [@Miss Mapp](#): > > I always rather suspected Elmer J. Fudd (the “Kill the Wabbit” thing seems oddly familiar). Plus, Mr. Fudd is conspicuously absent from the film, even the final scenes when every other well-known toon shows up. No he isn’t. I thought so too at first. If you look closely at the scene where the toons gasp near the movies’ end, after Valiant shakes hands with Roger, in the far background on the left you’ll see his head pop up in a number of frames. Makes me wonder-is Yosemite Sam more popular than Elmer Fudd? They should’ve given Fudd a bigger cameo. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2004, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/26 "2004-09-03T13:17:11Z")
You will find Judge Doom’s original birth certificate in Marsellus Wallace’s briefcase. If you can get past Vincent and Jules. ---
**Author:** ![Manasaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Manasaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manasaurus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/27 "2004-09-03T23:53:02Z")
Miss Mapp, check it out, Elmer Fudd IS in the film’s finale. Go to the scene I"m talking about. If you slow the scene down he’ll be easier to spot. Seriously, Warner Bros. loaned their characters out to Disney-do you really think WB execs. were going to let Disney cast Fudd as the villian? ---
**Author:** ![Manasaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Manasaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manasaurus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2004, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970/28 "2004-09-04T00:00:56Z")
The Encyclopedia of Animated Disney Characters even lists Elmer Fudd as one the film’s supporting characters. On a note on the notable toon absenses in the film-the filmmkaers couldn’t get clearance to use Popeye and Felix the Cat. However, if you look on the Tunnel that leads to Toontown, Felix’s face appears on it. Maybe the reason they couldn’t get clearance to use Popeye, is beacuse Disney ALREADY did Popeye as a feature film. Are Tom and Jerry considered MGM or Hanna-Barbera characters? I’m wondering why they got permission to use Droopy, and not these two. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-really-framed-roger-rabbit-the-villains-original-identity/158970.md?page=1)