# Who says breeding doesn't count - Martha Wainwright!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 11, 2006, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213 "2006-04-11T11:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/1 "2006-04-11T11:33:59Z")
By Loudon Wainwright III out of Kate McGarrigle. What a voice. She doesn’t do much but _Factory_ is enough: These are not my people, I should never have come here The chick with dick and the gift for the gab I know a place, I’ve seen the face And I’ll take the coast from factory to factory. What a lucky discovery - glad I was running late for work. ---
**Author:** ![Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stark_Raven_Mad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/2 "2006-04-11T11:40:04Z")
Don’t forget her brother, Rufus Wainwright, who’s a pretty good singer in his own right. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/3 "2006-04-11T11:51:43Z")
Damn straight. She’s on one track with LWiii on his ‘So Damn Happy’ live CD and while she may be young but her voice is old. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/4 "2006-04-11T12:09:06Z")
What’s a good CD by either sibling? I’m a huge fan of Loudon, or was back in the day, and am familiar with these two only via songs Loudon wrote about them as infants: “Pretty Little Martha” and “Rufus is a Tit Man.” If I wanted to introduce myself to either one, where should I start? ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/5 "2006-04-11T12:28:40Z")
Martha’s one and only is _Martha Wainwright_. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/6 "2006-04-11T12:54:42Z")
My ex was a huge Loudon fan, and I remember when Rufus and Martha were born. Damn, I feel old. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/7 "2006-04-11T13:07:46Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > My ex was a huge Loudon fan, and I remember when Rufus and Martha were born. > > Damn, I feel old. Hmmm, maybe I used to be married to you. Are you anywhere near Fort Lee? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/8 "2006-04-11T13:34:37Z")
> [@pseudotriton ruber ruber](#): > > Hmmm, maybe I used to be married to you. Are you anywhere near Fort Lee? Yes, now I’m in Englewood. Did you use to be married and live in Boston? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/9 "2006-04-11T13:43:40Z")
I used to be married and I used to live in Boston, though I left Boston a couple of decades back. I think this is “Close, but no cigar.” I think my ex- is quite happy she never has to listen to “Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road” at top volume on the car stereo any more, and especially glad not to hear me singing along. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/10 "2006-04-11T14:02:44Z")
I am absolutely in love with Rufus. The siblings work together frequently Rufus Wainwright performs additional vocals and vocal arrangements on “Don’t Forget” and additional vocals on “The Maker” on Martha’s album. Martha does backup and plays violin on several songs scattered throughout Rufus’ albums, most prominently on his first, eponymous album. _Poses_ is a good starter for Rufus’ work. Then the eponymous album. Once these two have wormed their way into your head, you’ll crave _Want One_ and _Want Two_. Then you’ll be longing for more than just a Live CD and random appearances on soundtracks and duets on other people’s work. But you’ll be left in the lurch for now. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/11 "2006-04-11T14:04:36Z")
> [@don't ask](#): > > Martha’s one and only is _Martha Wainwright_. _from her website_: She is also now selling a more recent 4-song CD called Factory at her shows. Factory contains the title track, plus “The Car Song”, “Bye Bye Blackbird”, and “New York, New York, New York”. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/12 "2006-04-11T14:11:09Z")
But _Martha Wainwright_ is a\*\* full CD \*\* with 13 tracks including _Factory_ and the charmingly titled _Bloody Mother Fucking Asshole_. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/13 "2006-04-11T14:13:27Z")
_grabs his copy of The McGarrigle Christmas Hour_ I know Martha has a couple on this one, too… Well, looking at the liner notes, she performs on most of the songs on it, but they’re mostly Christmas songs. I especially like “Rebel Jesus”, which she sings with Lily Lanken. ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Chews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@Monkey\_Chews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Chews)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/14 "2006-04-11T15:00:05Z")
Last year I got to see Martha AND Rufus AND the McGarrigle Sisters all at once, at the Leonard Cohen tribute show, _Came So Far For Beauty_, at the Sydney Opera House. They’re all amazing performers with just beautiful voices - and even better when they sing together. And what a show! It also featured Nick Cave, Antony, Beth Orton, Jarvis Cocker, and the Handsome Family. I sat there with my jaw hanging open for most of it. Thought I’d died and gone to music heaven. **don’t ask** , Martha is playing in Sydney soon, at the Metro in George Street… but I think it’s sold out. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/15 "2006-04-11T15:03:50Z")
> [@pseudotriton ruber ruber](#): > > What’s a good CD by either sibling? I’m a huge fan of Loudon, or was back in the day, and am familiar with these two only via songs Loudon wrote about them as infants: “Pretty Little Martha” and “Rufus is a Tit Man.” If I wanted to introduce myself to either one, where should I start? [The McGarrigle Hour](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000DCWD/sr=8-1/qid=1144767111/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-7602429-6191142?%5Fencoding=UTF8) is good for hearing the whole “family” (Kate, Anna, Loudon, Rufus, Martha and others like Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris) on some classic and fun tunes. It’s mellow but really showcases their voices, songwriting and harmonies. Martha is great on “Allez-Vous-En”. And Rufus has the instant classic “Heartburn”: Is this heartbreak or is this heartburn? Have I been played or do I need a rolaid? Gotta learn the difference 'tween I love ya The difference 'tween I love ya and the symptoms of ebola ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/16 "2006-04-12T02:19:06Z")
Don’t forget Rufus and Martha’s talented auntie, Louden’s sister **Sloan Wainwright**. That whole family is just amazing. I’m deeply envious of anyone who grows up in a musical, creative environment. Lucky sods. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-says-breeding-doesnt-count-martha-wainwright/352213/17 "2006-04-12T02:45:39Z")
Oooh, meant to give a link there: [Sloan Wainwright](http://www.sloanwainwright.com/).