The Obama budget increases spending and taxes while running large deficits as far as the eye can see. it keeps spending at permanently high levels, near 24% of GDP. The Ryan budget cuts spending back to historical levels and gets us back to sustainability.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/04/07/the-economic-bullishness-behind-the-ryan-budget/
In addition, the CBO says the Obama budget reduces economic growth in the long term, while Ryan’s plan increases economic growth:
It may be a semantic point. One cannot reduce a deficit to below zero, it becomes a surplus.
The ten year deficit is $9-10 trillion, so $6 trillion in cuts gets it down to $3-4 trillion.
His plan doesn’t cut total spending by 6 trillion. He proposes 6 trillion in cuts. Programs that are not being cut will maintain the same funding while other programs would see their budgets increase.
The problem with the Ryan Budget’s CBO scoring is they weren’t given free reign in scoring it. They had to make specific assumptions that may or may not prove to be true.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-unrealistic-assumptions-behind-paul-ryans-budget-numbers/2011/08/25/gIQAEZrePS_blog.html
If we are deciding who should win based off budget plans so far I’d have to go with Obama because he’s actually put one forward for people to look at.
The Romney/Ryan plan is still a complete mystery. If they want to cut spending I think they have an obligation to let us know exactly where they plan on cutting it from.
To draw from the other thread; no, Obama does not have a written plan to wreck the US government. Score one for Ryan.
Why waste time and money moving to a new country each and every time it finally dawns on you: “Shit!! You mean to tell me that THIS country has a government TOO?!?!?”
Relax! Spare yourself the constant jet-lag, and pocket the $500,000 you’ll save in air-freight bills.
Just move to Somalia or North Korea straightaway.
The wealthy elite and the corporations are swimming in money. We do not need “economic growth.” What we NEED is a new relationship between the wealthy and the middle class.
Having watched the Republican National Convention this week, I have to say we’re really fucked if Obama doesn’t win this.
You definitely will be.
Are you offering a conciliation prize?
Get a room, you guys!
One more reason: Better by far to have a gaffe-machine like Biden than a lie-machine like Ryan a heartbeat away from the OO.
Biden’s actually a pretty smart, serious guy, don’t let the gaffes fool you.
And Ryan’s very honest, at least by DC standards. Most of what the fact checkers dinged him on was baloney. If anything, the fact checkers got exposed during the Ryan controversy.
Your second statement is intriguing - would you be willing to start another thread on Ryan’s acceptance speech and what the fact-checkers got wrong?
I agree that Biden is a smart and serious guy, but he’s also gaffe-prone. On the smart/serious side, I started reading the speech he gave at Shanksville, PA this past September 11th. I was reminded that Biden lost his wife and daughter just after he was first elected to the Senate. Biden’s speech on 09/11/12 was so searingly beautiful I could not finish reading it. On the gaffe side, there are many examples.
We now return to our thread, already in progress.
Well, Obama seems to have responded very presidentially to Hurricane Sandy. Romney, OTOH, had a canned-goods drive . . . the Red Cross does not need canned goods right now.
And we’re only less fucked if Obama wins it. “We” cannot win this election.