# Who should Paul Ryan appoint to the Vice Presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 5, 2017, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615 "2017-12-05T07:28:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/41 "2017-12-06T15:00:29Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Do GOP donors think obstruction and collusion are crimes? For that is the whole of the law. > > I don’t think they do, and so the question is just an exercise. It isn’t that, it’s just putting self above country. They’ll find ways to excuse much greater things in a guy who will do what they want than those they’d excoriate in somebody who wouldn’t cut their taxes. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/42 "2017-12-06T15:03:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It isn’t that, it’s just putting self above country. They’ll find ways to excuse much greater things in a guy who will do what they want than those they’d excoriate in somebody who wouldn’t cut their taxes. Certainly. And that shows the logical impossibility of the question in the OP. There’s no way the Grand Old Pedophile party is going to impeach Trump. If Trump is impeached then Paul Ryan will not be the Speaker of the House. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/43 "2017-12-06T15:15:46Z")
I think the key to that is what Mueller has on _Pence_, not Trump. If they can get rid of world history’s loosest cannon and replace him with someone both more reliable and less embarrassing, they probably will. If the next man up is Ryan, who didn’t even want to be Speaker and whose effectiveness is dubious, they may find it better to just ride it all out and keep blaming Hillary. But nothing gets decided until Mueller is done and forces it to be decided. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/44 "2017-12-06T17:05:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The Democrats are the ones who need to keep the investigation going. They aren’t going to come up with anything, so they need to have something that looks like they will, so they can keep blowing smoke and fake news. > > The OP is wishful thinking, so Scott Walker. Executive experience, good common sense, the Dems have already spread all the lies they can about him so they would have to come up with something new. And Walker is used to dealing with progressive nutcases from dealing with Madison, and Trump won Wisconsin. > > Regards, > Shodan All those lies, like demolishing public unions, starving the state university system because “fiscal responsibility”, and giving a quarter of a billion to a private corporation because “fuck fiscal responsibility”? A significant number of their high school graduates are leaving the state to complete college elsewhere, and then staying there? Wisconsin is the upper Midwest equivalent of Kansas, without the massive tax cuts for rich people. It’s not lies just because you don’t like the facts. And last I checked, the indictments, arrests, and plea deals aren’t fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/45 "2017-12-06T18:01:07Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > All those lies, like demolishing public unions, starving the state university system because “fiscal responsibility”, and giving a quarter of a billion to a private corporation because “fuck fiscal responsibility”? Yes, that’s the sort of thing I was talking about. > [@](#): > > Wisconsin is the upper Midwest equivalent of Kansas, without the massive tax cuts for rich people. Like I said, the Dems have already tried this kind of rhetoric, and Walker won a recall with a greater margin than originally, and then was re-elected. > [@](#): > > It’s not lies just because you don’t like the facts. It’s _spin_ when you don’t like the facts. The Dems in WI didn’t like the facts, tried the spin, and it didn’t work. > [@](#): > > And last I checked, the indictments, arrests, and plea deals aren’t fake news. Maybe you better check again - AFAICT Walker has not been indicted, arrested, or made a plea deal. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/46 "2017-12-06T18:21:56Z")
What are the lies? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/47 "2017-12-06T19:27:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Maybe you better check again - AFAICT Walker has not been indicted, arrested, or made a plea deal. > > Regards, > Shodan Oh, you were talking about the investigation into Scott Walker when you cried about Democrats and fake news? Didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/48 "2017-12-07T13:45:32Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What are the lies? > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > All those lies, like demolishing public unions, starving the state university system because “fiscal responsibility”, and giving a quarter of a billion to a private corporation because “fuck fiscal responsibility”? > [@Shodan](#): > > that’s the sort of thing I was talking about. Of course your post demonstrates the sort of thing that the Dems will probably try - simply repeat the accusations over and over. And also of course, not noticing that it didn’t work in the recall election, and didn’t work in the general election either. But hey - third time lucky, no doubt. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/49 "2017-12-07T15:36:29Z")
How are those things _lies_, though? Are you using a Trumpian definition? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615/50 "2017-12-08T17:00:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Of course your post demonstrates the sort of thing that the Dems will probably try - simply repeat the accusations over and over. And also of course, not noticing that it didn’t work in the recall election, and didn’t work in the general election either. > > But hey - third time lucky, no doubt. > > Regards, > Shodan Perhaps the American public has seen the horror of what they have done and will recoil from Trump, Pence and assholes like Walker Perhaps not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-paul-ryan-appoint-to-the-vice-presidency/803615.md?page=2)