# Who Should Replace Nancy Pelosi and Her Cronies?//Should Pelosi step aside to let younger leaders in **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567 "2017-06-21T20:48:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/81 "2017-06-22T19:38:30Z")
I think the Democratic party has to send a strong message of, “We’re turning this thing around,” and a change of leadership will do a lot to underline that message. Sometimes after a few bad seasons you have to fire the coach. Even if it wasn’t really the coach’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/82 "2017-06-22T19:56:13Z")
> [@miketx](#): > > When corned spin smoke and deflect! …he said, as he spun smoke smoke and deflected. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/83 "2017-06-22T19:57:34Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Sometimes after a few bad seasons you have to fire the coach. Even if it wasn’t really the coach’s fault. But you shouldn’t fire your coach because the opposing team says it’s a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/84 "2017-06-22T20:06:00Z")
Speaking as a Democrat, I’ve been saying for a while now that we need to replace the Septuagenarian leadership with a younger generation. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/85 "2017-06-22T20:08:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But you shouldn’t fire your coach because the opposing team says it’s a good idea. No, of course not. I said, “Sometimes after a few bad seasons you have to fire the coach. Even if it wasn’t really the coach’s fault.” There isn’t even a hint of giving a shit about what the opposing team says in there. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/86 "2017-06-22T20:11:34Z")
> [@miketx](#): > > Liberal rule 2: When corned spin smoke and deflect! Do I read this correctly, that DSYoungEsq has been accused in this thread of being both a Republican and a liberal? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/87 "2017-06-22T20:31:45Z")
Congresswoman Kathleen Rice (D-NY) [says](http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/nancy-pelosi-kathleen-rice-democrats/index.html), “If you were talking about a company that was posting losing numbers, if you were talking about any sports team that was losing time and time again, changes would be made, right? The CEO out. The coach would be out and there would be a new strategy put in place.” ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/88 "2017-06-22T21:16:39Z")
> [@miketx](#): > > Liberal rule 2: When corned spin smoke and deflect! Dare I ask what idiocy you think rule #1 is? Will I be saddened for humanity with your response? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/89 "2017-06-22T21:29:24Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Dare I ask what idiocy you think rule #1 is? Will I be saddened for humanity with your response? Rule #1 is: Don’t talk about rule #1! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/90 "2017-06-22T21:33:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But you shouldn’t fire your coach because the opposing team says it’s a good idea. But you shouldn’t keep you coach just because the opposing team says you should fire her, either. You should fire your coach when your team is losing a lot of games, regardless of who is saying what. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/91 "2017-06-22T22:31:26Z")
> [@miketx](#): > > Liberal rule 2: When corned spin smoke and deflect! Not me. I just shrivel. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/92 "2017-06-23T01:13:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > When Dick Gephardt was the minority leader, Tom Foley was the Speaker of the House and Bill Clinton was the President. They were portrayed as the embodiments of evil and Gephardt got ignored as a relatively minor figure. Oh my, how quickly we forget. Dick Gephardt was Minority Leader from 1995 to 2002, during which time the Republicans were in control of the House, and during some of which George W. Bush was the President. Please, try again. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/93 "2017-06-23T01:18:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Do I read this correctly, that DSYoungEsq has been accused in this thread of being both a Republican and a liberal? You just have to love it. I guess I’m Libpubtard. 😛 > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Congresswoman Kathleen Rice (D-NY) [says](http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/nancy-pelosi-kathleen-rice-democrats/index.html), “If you were talking about a company that was posting losing numbers, if you were talking about any sports team that was losing time and time again, changes would be made, right? The CEO out. The coach would be out and there would be a new strategy put in place.” Here is an article that talks about the current rumblings in the Democratic Party’s House membership about Pelosi. [Democratic congressman: Our ‘toxic’ brand under Pelosi makes it hard to win](https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-congressman-toxic-brand-pelosi-makes-hard-win-140030782.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/94 "2017-06-23T01:30:33Z")
And CNN: > [@](#): > > Around the same time House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was declaring she had broad support to remain the top Democratic leader and jabbing back at her critics, a group of her colleagues met privately to brainstorm on whether there was a way to force her out. > > New York Democratic Rep. Kathleen Rice, one of a small group who has gone public with the message that Pelosi should go, hosted a dozen Democrats in her office Thursday for an hour-long strategy session. Alternate thought: since we all agree Pelosi is unfairly vilified, aren’t Democrats better than this? Shouldn’t they support Pelosi in the face of this unfair onslaught? Stand by her? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/95 "2017-06-23T01:41:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And CNN: > > Alternate thought: since we all agree Pelosi is unfairly vilified, aren’t Democrats better than this? Shouldn’t they support Pelosi in the face of this unfair onslaught? Stand by her? She might be unfairly vilified, but that doesn’t mean she’s the best person for the job. See post #90. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/96 "2017-06-23T01:52:59Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Did she have to kill Diane Fienstein to get the job? > > SF does not care about people. They let a small number of people make the lives of the productive majority miserable. Its a surreal failing. If letting the homeless live on the streets of a city were a good thing, many other cities would also do it. > > You know why they don’t? > > They use the streets as their bathroom creating a health hazard. > > They beg and rob innocent people trying to get around town. > > They hurt businesses by driving away their customers…which hurts the cities tax revenue making it harder to solve legitimate issues. > > There are humane ways to help the homeless but this ain’t it. Do you live in SF? Just asking 'cause that’s not been my experience. I know cities half the size of the City that have more violent and aggressive homeless people. SF is arguably one of the safest big cities in the US and arguably safer than most shitholes a quarter of its size in gun-toting Dixie. I say this as someone who’s lived in the South and in the Bay Area. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/97 "2017-06-23T01:56:28Z")
I think it’s really fucked up how Democrats are again taking the wife-beating bait from Republicans and flushing strong females down the toilet - so much for being the “progressive” party I reckon. But whatever. It’s clear that Pelosi’s time has come and gone and she’s no longer an effective spokesperson for progressive causes. For the good of the party, perhaps she ought to negotiate a passing of the torch to someone else. But this does go back to that all important question: just who the hell are democrats anyway? What is their identity? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/98 "2017-06-23T01:57:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > She might be unfairly vilified, but that doesn’t mean she’s the best person for the job. See post #90. But a coach is not part of a caring, supporting framework in which vulnerable performers are assisted; the sporting analogy is a form of social Darwinism that should not track with Democratic values. Right? (Obviously somewhat tongue-in-cheek) ETA: or maybe not. > [@asahi](#): > > I think it’s really fucked up how Democrats are again taking the wife-beating bait from Republicans and flushing strong females down the toilet - so much for being the “progressive” party I reckon. ---
**Author:** ![Tigers2B1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@Tigers2B1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tigers2B1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/99 "2017-06-23T03:15:40Z")
> [@Tom\_Terrific](#): > > Well even the conservative Michael Moore is saying Pelosi needs to go. [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/06/21/left-winger-michael-moore-torches-dnc-democrats-have-no-leader-plans-or-a-mess-n2344645](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/06/21/left-winger-michael-moore-torches-dnc-democrats-have-no-leader-plans-or-a-mess-n2344645) Scary on so many levels ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567/100 "2017-06-23T03:15:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Do you live in SF? Just asking 'cause that’s not been my experience. I know cities half the size of the City that have more violent and aggressive homeless people. SF is arguably one of the safest big cities in the US and arguably safer than most shitholes a quarter of its size in gun-toting Dixie. I say this as someone who’s lived in the South and in the Bay Area. Not really [arguable.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate) Click on “violent crime” and you’ll see SF is about in the middle, with about as many southern cities above it as below. Perhaps you were thinking of San Jose. Much, much safer. Anyway, Pelosi has nothing to do with how violent SF is or isn’t, so it’s a silly argument to engage in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-replace-nancy-pelosi-and-her-cronies-should-pelosi-step-aside-to-let-younger-leaders-in/789567.md?page=6)