# Who should the Democrats choose for national party chair? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 14, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772 "2005-01-14T21:38:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/1 "2005-01-14T21:38:29Z")
On February 12, 2005, the Democratic National Committee will meet in Washington to elect someone to succeed Terry McAuliffe as national party chair. At present, there are seven declared candidates: Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, former contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004, founder of Democracy for America, [http://www.democracyforamerica.com/](http://www.democracyforamerica.com/). Wellington Webb, former mayor of Denver. Martin Frost, former U.S. representative from Texas. Donnie Fowler, Democratic strategist. Tim Roemer, former U.S. representative from Indiana. David Leland, former chair of the Ohio Democratic Party. Simon Rosenberg, head of the New Democrat Network, [http://www.newdem.org/](http://www.newdem.org/). These candidates are currently touring the South to drum up support. See [http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=397248&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=397248&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312). From Kansas Democratic Party blog, impressions formed by msimpson, based on meeting declared candidates for DNC Chair at the Association of State Democratic Chairs meeting in Orlando in December, 2004, [http://www.ksdp.org/?q=node/view/609:](http://www.ksdp.org/?q=node/view/609:) > [@](#): > > James Blanchard: Former Governor of Michigan and Ambassador to Canada under Bill Clinton. Blanchard was an energetic and affable candidate for Chair. He mentioned Governor Sebelius by name as an example of someone who knows how to win in a red state. He said the DNC needs to work better with Governors and state parties to win in more places. > > Howard Dean: Former Governor of Vermont and Presidential Candidate. One of Dean’s most notable ideas for the DNC is to pay and train Executive Directors in every state. He was knowledgeable about the needs and concerns of state parties when it comes to cooperation with the DNC and has worked with the ASDC non-targeted states program, which Kansas is a part of. Dean clearly has a great deal of grassroots support for his candidacy. > > Harold Ickes: Former aide to President Clinton and director of the Media Fund and America Coming Together. Ickes has credentials as a Washington D.C. insider as well as the ability to raise large amounts of money as he proved with Clinton, the Media Funda and ACT. His style is dry and understated. While clearly well connected and able to be effective as an insider, his ability as a public spokesman is untested. Ickes read slowly and deliberately from his seat behind a table, rarely looking up at the audience. > > Wellington Webb: Mayor of Denver. Webb is an established African American leader. He was articulate and focused on the need for the DNC to reach out to people who are closer to the local level such as mayors. He is currently a DNC Vice Chair but complained that the DNC Chairman made decisions without even the slightest consultation of the executive committee. He talked about the importance of helping local activists, especially in minority communities, learn political skills that will help them have more of a voice in the years to come. > > Ron Kirk: Mayor of Dallas. Kirk is an African American who won election in Dallas, Texas and ran for U.S. Senate in 2002. Based on that experience he said he thought the Democratic Party needs to find its message. He believes a good message plays well everywhere. His example: “I have heard Amazing Grace sung by both Aretha Franklin and Willie Nelson and it touched me both ways.” Kirk generated a lot of buzz among the ASDC members. > > Martin Frost: Former Representative from Texas. Frost lost his seat this election in a district that was re-districted to be unfriendly to a Democrat by Tom Delay and the Texas legislature. He is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of centrist Democrats of which Congressman Dennis Moore of Kansas is a member. Frost lead the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (the DCCC is the national campaign arm of the House Democrats) quite successfully in 1998. He brings strong credentials when it comes to winning in swing districts. Most of his comments focused on finding candidates that are right for the communities they run in and not expecting all Democrats across the nation to be the same. Frost also said he thought it was time Democrats learned Spanish. > > Simon Rosenberg: Chairman of the New Democrat Network. Rosenberg is another centrist candidate. He approached the forum in an academic manner, with thorough analysis of the past election. Rosenberg’s group was successful in its work on Democratic Hispanic advertising in the past election. One of his strengths seems to be an ability to look objectively at our situation and develop a plan to move forward. His centrist approach is designed to reach out to many voters that have stopped voting for Democrats in the past few elections. > > Donnie Fowler, Jr.: Political operative and son of former DNC Chair Don Fowler. Fowler is the youngest candidate at 37 and clearly is tapping into a desire for change at the DNC. Of all the candidates he pushed hardest for reform. This attitude was evident in his words as well as his dress. Fowler wore black framed glasses, had non-politician hair (slightly long) and was the only candidate not wearing a suit and tie. Fowler has a soft southern drawl and talked of the need not to concede the south and religious voters. He said two noteworthy things: “I am a Democrat because I am a Christian, not in spite of it” and “Age is often an excuse for not doing something new”. Ickes and Kirk have since pulled out of the race. [http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050105/ap\_on\_el\_ge/democrats\_chair](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050105/ap_on_el_ge/democrats_chair) So has Blanchard. And Roemer and Leland have jumped on the bandwagon. Who should the Democrats elect? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/2 "2005-01-14T22:00:46Z")
Personally, I like Frost. His experience with the DCCC as well as his chairmanship of the Democratic Caucus gives him the experience to organize and lead the party. Plus, he’s centrist, and the party needs to convince the center, and he has a good record on defense issues, which will make it harder for the Republicans to accuse the party of being weak on defense and national security. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/3 "2005-01-14T22:56:48Z")
I’ve never understood what the duties of this post entailed. What is the Chairman supposed to do? Anyone want to give a brief tutorial? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/4 "2005-01-14T22:59:45Z")
Howard Dean ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/5 "2005-01-14T23:19:46Z")
Dean or Rosenberg would get my attention (as an independent). This would be a signal to me that the Dems are into reform. Anyone else would be a sign of SOS, or more of the same, if you will. Boring and ineffective, IMHO. Actually, Rosenberg is kind of boring too. But I’d give him a listen. It’s more about what faction of the party takes hold… Is anyone going to give **John Mace** a run-down of inter-party interests, or will I have to attempt it? Let the better qualified Democratic man or woman step forward… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2005, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/6 "2005-01-14T23:49:43Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I’ve never understood what the duties of this post entailed. What is the Chairman supposed to do? Anyone want to give a brief tutorial? I would assume it’s the same kind of job as chair of the Republican National Committee. From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_Democratic\_Party#Factions\_of\_the\_Democratic\_Party:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Democratic_Party#Factions_of_the_Democratic_Party:) > [@](#): > > The Democratic National Committee (DNC) provides national leadership for the United States Democratic Party. It is responsible for developing and promoting the Democratic political platform, as well as coordinating fundraising and election strategy. There are similar committees in every U.S. state and most U.S. counties (though in some states, Party organization lower than state-level is arranged by legislative districts). It can be considered the counterpart of the Republican National Committee (RNC) and their state and local organizations. Its current chairman is Terry McAuliffe. > > The Democratic Party also has fundraising and strategy committees for U.S. House races (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee), U.S. Senate races (Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee), gubernatorial races (Democratic Governors Association), and state legislative races (Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee). > > \ > > **Factions of the Democratic Party** > > It should be noted defining the views of any “faction” of any political party is difficult at best, and that any attempt to apply labels within a single political party is no more effective than the application of broad labels to political parties as a whole. Keeping that in mind, there are several ideological groups widely recognized within the modern-day Democratic Party: > > **The New Democrats** are a grouping of centrists, formally organized as the Democratic Leadership Council. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Joe Lieberman have all been leaders in the organization, which became particularly prominent during and after Clinton’s 1992 campaign. The group was founded and continues to be led by Al From. Senator Evan Bayh, a possible 2008 presidential candidate, is the current chairman. > > **The Blue Dog Democrats** are a congressional grouping of fiscal conservatives and moderates, primarily southerners, willing to compromise with the Republican leadership. They have acted as a unified voting bloc in the past, giving its thirty members some ability to change legislation. The name appears to be both a reference to several well-known Louisiana paintings featuring blue dogs, as well as a reference to the old “yellow dog” Democrats having been “choked blue.” > > **Clintonistas** - Political journalists often speak of the political advisors and allies surrounding Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton as a kind of faction, though such individuals hardly have a unified ideological leaning. Though formally a New Democrat, Hillary is generally considered more liberal than the DLC. > > **"Deaniacs"** - Howard Dean, a failed candidate for the party’s 2004 presidential nomination, emerged as a major player in the Democratic party and a leading opponent to the powerful New Democrats group. Founded his own group, Democracy for America, which succeeded his failed primary campaign Dean for America. > > **Southern Democrats** - Socially conservative southern white Democrats, previously a key element in the Democratic coalition, are increasingly rare, many having been defeated, or opting not to run, in the 1994, 2002, and 2004 elections. > > **Organized labor** - As a key source of political contributions, volunteers, and field organizing expertise, labor unions hold significant sway in the Democratic Party. Former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt was a leading supporter of labor’s agenda in Congress. > > **African-American Leadership** - African-Americans are members of many factions, however there is a Democratic African American leadership group which coalesces around the Congressional Black Caucus leadership and is generally considered liberal in outlook. Barak Obama and Jesse Jackson can be considered its most prominent new and old leaders respectively. ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/7 "2005-01-15T00:16:17Z")
All well and good, **BG** , but that’s a little too dry. Tell about the rabbits, George… I mean, tell about the DLC, if you can, or wish to… **John** , take it FWIW, but I am anti-DLC. This is when I put practical realities aside and vote third party (on the federal level). Perhaps not the same third party as you would choose, but still… I think a better question - for Dems in particular - is why Howard Dean is seen as such a threat? Why is he considered an outsider? I mean, he’s not even a true leftist. He’s fiscally conservative (or fiscally _responsible_, if you’re into Dem framing) Why is he considered so dangerous? And what do the Dems really stand for, if they consider Dean dangerous? That’s what I’d like to know… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/8 "2005-01-15T00:28:49Z")
> [@annaplurabelle](#): > > **John** , take it FWIW, but I am anti-DLC. This is when I put practical realities aside and vote third party (on the federal level). Perhaps not the same third party as you would choose, but still… What about that libertarian bent you keep talking about? 🙂 Seems like the party chair says more about which faction has the power than anything else. I also suspect that one of the biggest roles is the public face the person gives the party during the presidential election. I saw an LOT of both guys this time around on all the cable news channels. ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/9 "2005-01-15T00:42:49Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > What about that libertarian bent you keep talking about? 🙂 I don’t know how things are where you are, but when I checked out the Libertarian Party around here (NYC) I wasn’t too impressed. > [@](#): > > Seems like the party chair says more about which faction has the power than anything else. I also suspect that one of the biggest roles is the public face the person gives the party during the presidential election. I saw an LOT of both guys this time around on all the cable news channels. Quite so. And what did you think of Terry McAuliffe? That’s DLC… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/10 "2005-01-15T01:02:50Z")
> [@annaplurabelle](#): > > I don’t know how things are where you are, but when I checked out the Libertarian Party around here (NYC) I wasn’t too impressed. They can be pretty kooky. > [@](#): > > Quite so. And what did you think of Terry McAuliffe? That’s DLC… He came off as a partisan hack, just like his Republican counterpart. I guess that shouldn’t be such a surprise. 🙂 Both parties need someone who fights like a bulldog behind the scenes, but puts on a likeable face in public. I don’t think either of them did very well in the latter role. Fast-taking hucksters, the both of them. ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/11 "2005-01-15T01:29:10Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > They can be pretty kooky. Tell me about it. I hate to generalise, but here they consist of men who love guns a little too much (for my taste), cheapskates, and moody loners. Not the ideals I had in mind, and not very attractive in general. But for me, it’s (libertarianism) more of a personal philosophy than a political party. > [@](#): > > Both parties need someone who fights like a bulldog behind the scenes, but puts on a likeable face in public. That’s why I like Dean for DNC chair. I like bulldogs, of any stripe, if they’re sincere. Can’t judge his likeable qualities, outside the northeast. To me he comes across as _real_, agree with him or not. But the Dems are continuing their “strategy sessions”. Politics over principles. Hacks over wonks. How that’s any different from the GOP is beyond me… ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/12 "2005-01-15T06:44:44Z")
> [@](#): > > **Southern Democrats** - Socially conservative southern white Democrats, previously a key element in the Democratic coalition, are increasingly rare, many having been defeated, or opting not to run, in the 1994, 2002, and 2004 elections. They might want to get a new name for Southern liberal and moderate Democrats so that we aren’t written off again with that broad brush filled with red paint. Nashville and many other areas of the South voted Blue. Gen. Wesley Clark has shown some interest in the job and might be able to coax the South back to life. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/13 "2005-01-15T12:19:43Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > They might want to get a new name for Southern liberal and moderate Democrats so that we aren’t written off again with that broad brush filled with red paint. Yankee :D. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/14 "2005-01-15T19:18:53Z")
Since Dennis Kucinich isn’t in the running, I’d have to back Howard Dean. He’s no socialist, not even by Kucinich standards, but he’ll do until one comes along. The Democratic Party has been on the wrong track ever since the corporate-liberal DLC wing rose to dominance. Let’s stop fretting about appealing to the “center” and build a party that offers a real **alternative** to the Pubs! I mean an **economic** alternative, not just a social-policy alternative! Let’s be the party that **fights corporate power!** Maybe then the poor and the working poor would start voting again! 🙂 (And right after that, purple monkeys will fly out of Bush’s ass and drop by to clean my bathroom.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/15 "2005-01-19T20:59:45Z")
Update: Yesterday the candidates for DNC chair stumped at the National Conference of Democratic Mayors in Washington. From [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/18/national2134EST0780.DTL:](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/18/national2134EST0780.DTL:) > [@](#): > > Dean, the former governor of Vermont, got the endorsement Tuesday of the entire DNC delegation from Florida as well as the state Democratic chairs of Mississippi, Utah, Oklahoma, Washington state and Vermont. > > Simon Rosenberg, founder of the centrist New Democrat Network, talked about the need to organize in all 50 states and touted his abilities in fund-raising and devising ad campaigns. Rosenberg also has been collecting endorsements, including the backing of former DNC chair Joe Andrew and former Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi. > > Former Texas Rep. Martin Frost boasted of his leadership of the Democrats’ congressional campaign committee, in which he raised $80 million over two election cycles. Frost has been endorsed by veteran Democratic organizer Robert Strauss and House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland. > > Tim Roemer, the former Indiana congressman who is more conservative than the other candidates, said Democrats “need a chairman who can go into all 50 states and help Democrats win elections.” He said he has confidence DNC members will not have a “litmus test” on issues like abortion; Roemer opposes some abortion procedures. He has collected the backing of several prominent Democrats, including Louisiana Sen. John Breaux and California Rep. Ellen Tauscher. > > Former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb reminded the mayors that Democrats ignore many black votes when they write off whole regions of the country, like the South. David Leland, a former Ohio party chair, said he helped deliver Ohio for President Clinton eight years ago and can help the Democrats again. > > Democratic activist Donnie Fowler said the key to party victory is “listening to people from outside Washington.” ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/16 "2005-01-19T21:34:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Update: Yesterday the candidates for DNC chair stumped at the National Conference of Democratic Mayors in Washington. From [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/18/national2134EST0780.DTL:](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/18/national2134EST0780.DTL:) The DLC is running scared. Good! I am watching this carefully, as are many “left-of-so-called-centrist” Democrats and Independents. Roemer and Frost v. Dean and Rosenberg. The future of the Democratic Party is at stake. Who will prevail? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/17 "2005-01-19T21:40:45Z")
If anyone’s interested in how the rather complicated election process for DNC chair works, Rosenberg has posted an explanation on his campaign site: [http://64.78.28.17/blog/archives/2005/01/how\_the\_process.html](http://64.78.28.17/blog/archives/2005/01/how_the_process.html) See also [http://www.swingstateproject.com/2004/12/dnc\_chair\_elect.html](http://www.swingstateproject.com/2004/12/dnc_chair_elect.html). ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/18 "2005-01-19T21:40:47Z")
> [@annaplurabelle](#): > > Roemer and Frost v. Dean and Rosenberg. The future of the Democratic Party is at stake. Who will prevail? Fight it out in a caged deathmatch? -XT ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/19 "2005-01-19T21:49:58Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Fight it out in a caged deathmatch? > > -XT I often think the problems of the world could just as easily be solved under those conditions. Is it ever a anything more than _might makes right_? If it is, I guess I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772/20 "2005-01-20T02:55:06Z")
Well, I don’t know…but it sure would be fun to watch. My money would be on Dean…he looks pretty tough and has some big arms from what I could see. And that crazy glint in his eye spells trouble for his opponent… -XT [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-should-the-democrats-choose-for-national-party-chair/284772.md?page=2)