# Who tells the most brazen lies? And gets a pass? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724 "2009-08-08T04:38:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/1 "2009-08-08T04:38:21Z")
I don’t know if drugs are a part of this, but on Larry King tonight, Jermaine Jackson said, concerning Michael’s kids “You can just look at them and tell that they are Michael’s.” Hmmmm. King showed a video of the kids: Paris, who has hair which is really straight, but a swarthy complexion. The hair may have been processed, so, well, maybe the old boy was potent. Prolly not, but I may be wrong. Same thing for the next in age. but when I saw the white, blond haired boy, of course I thought it was a video of Michael when he was younger. NOT. give me a break. But, I also remember when the Monicagate deal came out. Hillary said that her darling Bill had a tremendous gift for counseling young, troubled women. Mmmm hmmmm…and she expects us to swallow this. In both cases, nobody called them on it. These entirely obvious lies make me want to go slap the crap out of the interviewer, such as King, who just kept up the charade, making me also want to barf. Well, you have the parameters. Ballsy lies, with excrement eating grins and nods of the head from the interviewers. Nobody challenges the nonsense. Nobody. This thread, ergo, can include partisan hits, but does not extend to things like WMD, the health bill, etc, things with a lot of legitimate controversy. Tell me what public figure told the biggest lie without getting busted on the spot. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/2 "2009-08-08T04:55:49Z")
I know it’s going to draw flack but the United Negro College Fund and other black groups who are always claiming a million things to have been invented by black inventors, which in reality were either not invented by black inventors or not invented by anyone at all but merely improved over the course of hundreds of years and thus should not be credited to any one individual. This kind of bullshit is disingenuous in the extreme but they always get a pass because you’re a racist if you speak up about it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/3 "2009-08-08T05:12:27Z")
1. I believe the OP is asking for individuals, not groups. 2. Moving thread from IMHO to The BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/4 "2009-08-08T05:23:08Z")
Ever watch any of the programs on Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/5 "2009-08-08T05:44:10Z")
_I_ tell the biggest lies. \<-There’s my proof. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/6 "2009-08-08T05:55:11Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > But, I also remember when the Monicagate deal came out. Hillary said that her darling Bill had a tremendous gift for counseling young, troubled women. Mmmm hmmmm…and she expects us to swallow this. My life is built upon cheap shots taken, but that one leaves me wallowing at the same level as yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/7 "2009-08-08T08:43:53Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I know it’s going to draw flack but the United Negro College Fund and other black groups who are always claiming a million things to have been invented by black inventors, which in reality were either not invented by black inventors or not invented by anyone at all but merely improved over the course of hundreds of years and thus should not be credited to any one individual. This kind of bullshit is disingenuous in the extreme but they always get a pass because you’re a racist if you speak up about it. Argent Towers. Big fat lying racist birther. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/8 "2009-08-08T09:21:05Z")
Although she got plenty of attention for saying things that were dumb, incoherent, or inflammatory, Sarah Palin very rarely was held accountable for things that were [substantially untrue](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html). ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/9 "2009-08-08T14:46:42Z")
I was going to mention producers of military recruitment videos, [but not all militaries are the same](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWqT8Rljt_8&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/10 "2009-08-08T16:45:16Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > Although she got plenty of attention for saying things that were dumb, incoherent, or inflammatory, Sarah Palin very rarely was held accountable for things that were [substantially untrue](http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html). The OP asked to distinguish between outright lies and items for which there can be said to be legitimate controversy. That list contains a mixture of the two. For example: > [@](#): > > Palin lied when she told Charlie Gibson that she does not pass judgment on gay people; in fact, she opposes all rights between gay spouses and belongs to a church that promotes conversion therapy. Do I even have to detail the problems with this claim? It may be simultaneously true that she does not pass judgement, but still disfavors same-sex partnership rights. And if Rev. Wright taught us nothign else, surely he taught us that one may belong to a church without uncrically accepting all its teachings. > [@](#): > > Palin lied when she said the dismissal of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, had nothing to do with his refusal to fire state trooper Mike Wooten; in fact, the Branchflower Report concluded that she repeatedly abused her power when dealing with both men. Come on. Regardless of what the report concluded, it’s certainly possible that he was fired for unrelated reasons. Only she knows for sure, but this is hardly an uncontroverted lie. > [@](#): > > Palin lied when she denied having said that humans do not contribute to climate change; in fact, she had previously proclaimed that human activity was not to blame. This, on the other hand, is exactly what the OP is talking about – a blatant denial of an unambiguous fact. So I don’t believe you can simply link to that list and say, “There!” Many of the claims on the list don’t fit the request. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/11 "2009-08-08T16:54:41Z")
The recruitment video you linked for the USMC wasn’t particularly dishonest. It showed a bunch of guys running around in the mud, at least. And emphasized the honor and duty part, rather than “it’s easy and you get money for college” part. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/12 "2009-08-08T16:56:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It may be simultaneously true that [Palin] does not pass judgement, but still disfavors same-sex partnership rights. What logical reason can one have to oppose same-sex marriage that does not include the judgment that there is something morally unacceptable about homosexuality? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/13 "2009-08-08T18:25:06Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > What logical reason can one have to oppose same-sex marriage that does not include the judgment that there is something morally unacceptable about homosexuality? To discuss this here would be to hijack this thread. I think this has been discussed in previous threads, if you’re really interested; I searched and came up with [What is the rationale for opposition to same-sex marriage?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513372) and [Gay dopers: Any of you against gay marriage?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=518697) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/14 "2009-08-08T18:52:40Z")
How about the anti-drug causes, specifically regarding marijuana? Reefer madness anybody? ---
**Author:** ![minlokwat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/minlokwat/32/2844_2.png) [@minlokwat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minlokwat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/15 "2009-08-08T19:01:36Z")
Not a full hijack (as is my wont) but has Larry King completely abandoned ever bothering to cover another news story besides Jackson’s death? It’s been well over a month since Jacko kicked the bucket (rest in peace) and King has done nothing but traipse out one after another player associated in the slightest way with Anything-Jackson. I’ve always considered Larry King more of a fringe journalist but he has now plunged deeply into Can’t-Possibly-Take-Seriously-Ever-Again territory. What the hell has gotten into this guy? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/16 "2009-08-08T19:57:23Z")
Senility? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/17 "2009-08-08T20:10:41Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Argent Towers. Big fat lying racist birther. I think he’s actually referring to a recent event, where it was claimed, among other things, that an African-American invented the hairbrush, or something like that. Liars? I’d say politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/18 "2009-08-08T20:26:06Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > To discuss this here would be to hijack this thread. I think this has been discussed in previous threads, if you’re really interested; I searched and came up with [What is the rationale for opposition to same-sex marriage?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513372) and [Gay dopers: Any of you against gay marriage?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=518697) I read those threads. At its core, opposition towards gay marriage always includes the judgment that homosexuality is morally unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![TheGrinReaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2acd7d/32.png) [@TheGrinReaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheGrinReaper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/19 "2009-08-08T20:29:51Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > I don’t know if drugs are a part of this, but on Larry King tonight, Jermaine Jackson said, concerning Michael’s kids “You can just look at them and tell that they are Michael’s.” Hmmmm. King showed a video of the kids: Paris, who has hair which is really straight, but a swarthy complexion. The hair may have been processed, so, well, maybe the old boy was potent. Prolly not, but I may be wrong. Same thing for the next in age. but when I saw the white, blond haired boy, of course I thought it was a video of Michael when he was younger. NOT. give me a break. > > But, I also remember when the Monicagate deal came out. Hillary said that her darling Bill had a tremendous gift for counseling young, troubled women. Mmmm hmmmm…and she expects us to swallow this. > > In both cases, nobody called them on it. These entirely obvious lies make me want to go slap the crap out of the interviewer, such as King, who just kept up the charade, making me also want to barf. > > Well, you have the parameters. Ballsy lies, with excrement eating grins and nods of the head from the interviewers. Nobody challenges the nonsense. Nobody. This thread, ergo, can include partisan hits, but does not extend to things like WMD, the health bill, etc, things with a lot of legitimate controversy. > **Tell me what public figure told the biggest lie without getting busted on the spot.** God. Or is that Jesus? ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724/20 "2009-08-08T20:48:58Z")
This thread is just going to devolve into “Here are a bunch of positions/institutions/ideologies/whatever I don’t like, and prominent supporters of them.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-tells-the-most-brazen-lies-and-gets-a-pass/505724.md?page=2)