# Who wants to back El rushbo on this one! Iraq withdrawal. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 2, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669 "2005-12-02T02:40:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jocularjason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b2d939/32.png) [@jocularjason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jocularjason)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/1 "2005-12-02T02:40:10Z")
Who wants to defend His Royal Rushness on this one? [http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site\_120105/content/fruited\_plain.guest.html](http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_120105/content/fruited_plain.guest.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/2 "2005-12-02T02:53:24Z")
Is there any particular nugget of crap you want to draw our attention to? ---
**Author:** ![lonesome\_loser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c68b51/32.png) [@lonesome\_loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lonesome_loser)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/3 "2005-12-02T03:05:26Z")
It’s a shill. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/4 "2005-12-02T03:16:05Z")
**Jocularjason** , we’re not trained monkeys here, and one-line-plus-a-link posts are not the done thing in this forum. Stake out a position, tell us what you want to debate, and maybe someone will debate with you. ---
**Author:** ![jocularjason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b2d939/32.png) [@jocularjason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jocularjason)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/5 "2005-12-02T03:28:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is there any particular nugget of crap you want to draw our attention to? This: > [@](#): > > You, you are not on the page with what is becoming an emerge Democrat base which wants out of Iraq no matter what happens, I guess because they don’t think there’s any real danger caused by what happens in the Middle East, so we need to get out. But I think it’s also oriented as just humiliating and defeating Bush. This: > [@](#): > > some people want to use the word “treason” with what some of these people say. When Murtha comes out and says what he said today, that they’re “worn out”…“The Army is broken. It is worn out. It is living hand-to-mouth.” That’s not criticism of Bush. It may be cast as criticism of Bush, but he’s taking a direct hit at the Pentagon and at the men and women who are wearing the uniform… He’s trying to make it sound as though he’s blaming Bush for this, but he’s impugning them…To run out and say this kind of thing, it’s got one purpose. It is to undermine the effort. This: > [@](#): > > Their alternative is to quit. The Democrats are advocating quitting. The Democrats are advocating and investing in defeat, because to them, that’s victory. This: > [@](#): > > …their buddies (democrats. liberals) in the mainstream press create the illusion that they are carrying the day, create the illusion that they are dominating the thoughts of the American people by virtue of these polls that come out. > > Well, these polls that come out have been rigged. These polls that have come out have questions asked to which the answers are almost assured. The polls are nothing more than an extension of the editorial page at a newspaper or on a television network, and they’re used to falsely portray news. They’re creating news. And anything else that might pique your hatred/love of this prolific orator (A.K.A. Gasbag) that has millions of listeners that seem to be…well…actually listening. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/6 "2005-12-02T03:32:23Z")
And sorry, guess that came off as Junior Modding, but really, you’ll get a better response if you summarize what specifically you want to discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Manduck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manduck/32/256_2.png) [@Manduck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manduck)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/7 "2005-12-02T03:48:14Z")
I think that picture of Limbaugh halfway down the page looks hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/8 "2005-12-02T03:51:56Z")
Rush Limbaugh is a liar and a charlatan. He will twist facts or make them up whenever it suits him. He would sell his own mother if the price was right. He supports damn near everything many of us are against. > [@Rush](#): > > But I think it’s also oriented as just humiliating and defeating Bush. He deserves to be humiliated. He is a sniveling crave coward and is grossly incompetent. See below. He said “stay the course”. He used his latest “speech” to villify opposition. He still refuses to accept any blame for his own self made disaster. > [@The Huffington Post](#): > > “There’s a lack of trust that the president has in Cheney and it’s connected with Iraq,” a source said. > The sources said Mr. Bush has privately blamed Mr. Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the U.S.-led war in Iraq. They said the president has told his senior aides that the vice president and defense secretary provided misleading assessments on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, as well as the capabilities of the regime of Saddam Hussein. > As a result, the sources said, Mr. Cheney has been ousted from his role as the administration’s point man in the area of national security. They said presidential staffers have kept Mr. Cheney out of the loop on discussions on policy as the White House has struggled with the political and intelligence fallout from the war in Iraq. > [@Rush](#): > > some people want to use the word “treason” with what some of these people say. When Murtha comes out and says what he said today, that they’re “worn out”…“The Army is broken. It is worn out. It is living hand-to-mouth.” That’s not criticism of Bush. It may be cast as criticism of Bush, but he’s taking a direct hit at the Pentagon and at the men and women who are wearing the uniform… He’s trying to make it sound as though he’s blaming Bush for this, but he’s impugning them…To run out and say this kind of thing, it’s got one purpose. It is to undermine the effort. Back to the “treason thing” again. Well I am all for walking up to Rush and handing him a draft notice. Sure. The way to show support is to kill more troops for a bad cause. Murtha is well known in Washington as one man the military can count on for honest support. Meanwhile, how’s it going with the VA benefit cuts, the curtailment of delayed stress treatment, body armor, etc.? The Bush Rumsfeld way is to “use the army you have, not what you wish you had”. In other words, don’t prepare, plan, or properly equip them. Just send them out with no plan, keep sending them back until they die, keep them from getting out - stop lost (backdoor draft) and then fuck them out of their benefits. No, Murtha was calling it the way it is. Meanwhile, let’s cut taxes for the rich guys. > [@Rush](#): > > Their alternative is to quit. The Democrats are advocating quitting. The Democrats are advocating and investing in defeat, because to them, that’s victory. As opposed to Bush’s so called “plan” which was so broad, so vague, so full of shit that the NY Times (among others) savaged it completely and asked that Bush somehow be returned to reality. Bush’s only “plan” is to stay the course until victory - the short version is just keep ignoring reality. That’s all Limbaughs bullshit remarks deserve. That’s all you deserve for this so called OP, regurgitationg his vomit… vomit he pretty much plagiarized from Bush and Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/9 "2005-12-02T03:57:19Z")
Aren’t we pretty much at the point where if Rush says something, that alone pretty much debunks the statement? Do we need to know anything more than the fact that Rush said it? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/10 "2005-12-02T04:00:31Z")
> [@Manduck](#): > > I think that picture of Limbaugh halfway down the page looks hilarious. I was thinking the same thing. He’s in this weird open necked pleather looking getup with this goofy village idiot smile on his face that looks like someone just told him there’s a big pie in the break room. That he would think that’s an attractive look is a bit frightening. ---
**Author:** ![jocularjason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b2d939/32.png) [@jocularjason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jocularjason)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/11 "2005-12-02T04:03:09Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Jocularjason** , we’re not trained monkeys here, and one-line-plus-a-link posts are not the done thing in this forum. Stake out a position, tell us what you want to debate, and maybe someone will debate with you. Indeed. I thought some Audio commentary by Rush would be a nice springboard to a debate about Iraq–and also to the phenomenon of The Rush Limbaugh Show itself. I’m curious how this guys sentiment can be adhered to by so many when I think he uses every tactic in the book to avoid actual debate. I wanted to hear actual people debate these issues intead of just cringing in traffic as I make my way home. From my angle, I believe this sheister should appologize to congressman Murtha for unfairly presenting what he (Murtha) actually said. I want to hear from conservatives that defend this line of thinking. I think the audio file is a great way to introduce debate. I’m sorry if it’s not done more often. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/12 "2005-12-02T04:09:28Z")
Ah, and so you have (laid out your topic), then. > [@Rush Limbaugh](#): > > You, you are not on the page with what is becoming an emerge Democrat base which wants out of Iraq no matter what happens, I guess because they don’t think there’s any real danger caused by what happens in the Middle East, so we need to get out. But I think it’s also oriented as just humiliating and defeating Bush. Or, assuming Mr. Limbaugh’s opinion is somehow fact, which I don’t, maybe it’s because they think there is real danger in the Middle East, and the current actions of the US are increasing rather than reducing that danger. > [@](#): > > some people want to use the word “treason” with what some of these people say. When Murtha comes out and says what he said today, that they’re “worn out”…“The Army is broken. It is worn out. It is living hand-to-mouth.” That’s not criticism of Bush. It may be cast as criticism of Bush, but he’s taking a direct hit at the Pentagon and at the men and women who are wearing the uniform… He’s trying to make it sound as though he’s blaming Bush for this, but he’s impugning them…To run out and say this kind of thing, it’s got one purpose. It is to undermine the effort. Apparently Rush would like to use the word “treason” in reference to Murtha as well but has decided he couldn’t quite get away with it. I would like to hear some rational explanation why a decorated veteran of Korea and Viet Nam, and one of the most influential elected officials concerned with military matters, would suddenly up and decide, for purely partisan reasons, to “undermine the effort”. Sorry, doesn’t compute. > [@](#): > > Their alternative is to quit. The Democrats are advocating quitting. The Democrats are advocating and investing in defeat, because to them, that’s victory. Opinion only, nothing cited to back it up. > [@](#): > > …their buddies (democrats. liberals) in the mainstream press create the illusion that they are carrying the day, create the illusion that they are dominating the thoughts of the American people by virtue of these polls that come out. > > Well, these polls that come out have been rigged. These polls that have come out have questions asked to which the answers are almost assured. The polls are nothing more than an extension of the editorial page at a newspaper or on a television network, and they’re used to falsely portray news. They’re creating news. Opinion only, nothing cited to back it up. Ok, pretty weak response, I admit, but there’s really not all that much to hang one’s hat on. Limbaush and his ilk wish to portray all acts of the largest opposition party in as negative of terms as possible. Nothing particularly new here, although maybe it’s a bit more shrill than usual; I can’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/13 "2005-12-02T04:18:04Z")
> [@jocularjason](#): > > Indeed. I thought some Audio commentary by Rush would be a nice springboard to a debate about Iraq–and also to the phenomenon of The Rush Limbaugh Show itself. I’m curious how this guys sentiment can be adhered to by so many when I think he uses every tactic in the book to avoid actual debate. I wanted to hear actual people debate these issues intead of just cringing in traffic as I make my way home. > > From my angle, I believe this sheister should appologize to congressman Murtha for unfairly presenting what he (Murtha) actually said. I want to hear from conservatives that defend this line of thinking. Meh. I looked into this thread expecting something interesting and/or surprising – e.g., Rush now **supports** withdrawal from Iraq. (After all, a lot of other conservatives have gone over.) But this is all predictable. And, I think, says little on which any conservative or pro-war Dopers would care to hang their arguments for Staying the Course; the signal-to-noise ratio is too low. And is the “phenomenon” of Rush Limbaugh even worth discussing any more? ---
**Author:** ![jocularjason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b2d939/32.png) [@jocularjason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jocularjason)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/14 "2005-12-02T04:21:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That’s all you deserve for this so called OP, regurgitationg his vomit… vomit he pretty much plagiarized from Bush and Cheney. That’s what I would have thoght a few years ago. But the fact is, many people are listening to this crap and living by it…especially in rural Military towns. Believe me, I wrote this guy off the first time I heard his voice curse the airwaves ten years ago, but the sentiment he pukes over the airwaves daily is truly catching on. I thought the SD message board might be a way to actually debate some of the things he has said. But I guess we’re all pinkos at SD so maybe no debate is forthcoming.[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=6854580#](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=6854580#) ---
**Author:** ![jocularjason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b2d939/32.png) [@jocularjason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jocularjason)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/15 "2005-12-02T04:26:46Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That’s all you deserve for this so called OP, regurgitationg his vomit… vomit he pretty much plagiarized from Bush and Cheney. That’s what I would have thought a few years ago. But the fact is, many people are listening to this crap and living by it…especially in rural Military towns. Believe me, I wrote this guy off the first time I heard his voice curse the A.M. dial ten years ago, but the sentiment he pukes over the airwaves daily is truly catching on. I thought the SD message board might be a way to actually debate some of the things he has said. But I guess we’re all pinkos at SD so maybe no debate is forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/16 "2005-12-02T04:33:14Z")
> [@jocularjason](#): > > That’s what I would have thoght a few years ago. But the fact is, many people are listening to this crap and living by it…especially in rural Military towns. Believe me, I wrote this guy off the first time I heard his voice curse the airwaves ten years ago, but the sentiment he pukes over the airwaves daily is truly catching on. I thought the SD message board might be a way to actually debate some of the things he has said. But I guess we’re all pinkos at SD so maybe no debate is forthcoming.[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=6854580#](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=6854580#) Well, I know some people (very few admittedly) who no longer listen to the Fat Flaming Nazi Gasbag. I keep hoping he and his kind will someday vanish from the airwaves. I hoped his “drug problem” would do it. He had been hell on wheels against all the evil nasty dope users until HE got busted. Still, the cretins still hang on his every word. Then I thought it would happen when he trivialized torture. Nope, didn’t happen. I guess all I can hope for, is that he get caught in bed with a dead girl, a live boy, and a goat. But even that may not do it. He disgusts me. ---
**Author:** ![ImaginalDisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e57/32.png) [@ImaginalDisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ImaginalDisc)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/17 "2005-12-02T04:44:40Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I was thinking the same thing. He’s in this weird open necked pleather looking getup with this goofy village idiot smile on his face that looks like someone just told him there’s a big pie in the break room. That he would think that’s an attractive look is a bit frightening. That picture’s frightening, but the one at the top of the page is even more so. Why on earth would a fat bald white man get a publicity phot taken with a cigar in his hand? Is there any bigger sterotype of the uncaring rich WASP? He might as well be lighting that cigar with a hundred dollar bill. ---
**Author:** ![jocularjason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b2d939/32.png) [@jocularjason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jocularjason)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/18 "2005-12-02T04:50:18Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well, I know some people (very few admittedly) who no longer listen to the Fat Flaming Nazi Gasbag. I keep hoping he and his kind will someday vanish from the airwaves. I hoped his “drug problem” would do it. He had been hell on wheels against all the evil nasty dope users until HE got busted. Still, the cretins still hang on his every word. Then I thought it would happen when he trivialized torture. Nope, didn’t happen. I guess all I can hope for, is that he get caught in bed with a dead girl, a live boy, and a goat. But even that may not do it. He disgusts me. Perhaps finding more entertaining A.M. radio programming would snuff his shit out for good. Maybe re-brodcast survivor episodes, or start a non-stop knife selling infomercial. Unfortunately this guy possibly has more influence on global affairs than most members of congress and certainly more than SD message posters. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/19 "2005-12-02T06:25:51Z")
Oh for Christ’s sake. Another Limbaugh thread? One in which he’s credited with more influence than Congress?!? Little one, rest for a moment. Here’s a pillow. Now listen to me. Rush is a radio talk-show host that entertains while offering his opinion. Much as any personality on Air America. Is he popular because of his veiws, or because of the content? There’s a debate in itself. The truth is, Rush offers entertaining opinon, whether you “buy into it” or not. A lot of people here will lump Savage in with the so-called “BushBots”. I’m guessing you’re one of them. But if anyone actually listened to the Savage Nation they’d know Savage is almost as ardently anti-Bush as Pelosi and Schumer. Savage a couple nights ago called on conservatives to vote independant, or avoid the polls altogether, if the GOP offers up a Bush clone. What a partisan! Get a grip. You’re getting just as worked up over Rush as you accuse other’s of. Face it, you’re no different. Nor better. > [@jocularjason](#): > > …especially in rural Military towns So are you blaming rural residents, military, or rural military? One or both are to blame based on your words. You have a problem with one or both. What aspect of media do you need silenced? Anything from the military or anything from rural folk. If they listen to it and follow it as Gospel, they must be stopped. I’ll give you an option of picking one over the other, but you don’t get a free pass on both. As a resident of a city that has a major USAF base that an enlightened one such as yourself would consider rural, I’ll just say FUCK YOU and leave it at that. Grow up. Even I don’t take Rush for more than entertainment. Squirm all you want. It’s people like you that make even cenrtrist-Dems tune in for the laugh factor. That quote is pissing me off so much I’m ending the post here. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2005, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669/20 "2005-12-02T06:59:23Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Oh for Christ’s sake. Another Limbaugh thread? One in which he’s credited with more influence than Congress?!? Yeah, everyone knows that the _real_ seat of power is with the falafel-fetishist Bill O’Reilly, who was [personally responsible for lowering gasoline prices.](http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/01/oreilly-lowers-gas-prices/) :rolleyes: 😉 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wants-to-back-el-rushbo-on-this-one-iraq-withdrawal/333669.md?page=2)