It’s just another load of nonsense from the Tories pretending they’re going to invest in the country. They’re not. They’re not capable of it. But present it in terms that “it’s like how my grandson speaks” seems to baffle and delight them enough to believe it.
They’ve actually rented one of the few government buildings in my city recently, to house this supposed department. Cement mixers and wheelbarrows litter the ground floor. We can’t see if anyone went into the second floor, but it does look like a load of fluff to me. It’s safe to always take that position too with Tory governments, they’re not in the job of improvements, they’re always about stopping everyone noticing they’ve sacked all the police officers.
“Levelling Up” is one of BJ’s big ideasslogans, to respond to the marked regional disparities, economic and social, that led to such a massive shift towards the Tories in formerly safe Labour seats at the 2019 election. Whether the new department’s plans and proposals actually amount to enough to create enough good jobs and improve infrastructure, services and general wellbeing … that’s a matter of debate.
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Consider this warning from 40 years ago: “Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticized for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility.”…“I think,” Hammond wrote in that letter in 1982, “he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”…Boris Johnson’s shaky relationship with the truth flowed through almost everything he did. …[/quote]
It doesn’t mean that, I don’t think it is a remotely difficult distinction to make.
There is an important war going on at the moment that we are very concerned with and are strongly supporting one side over another. However, thousands more column inches have been expended in explaining how and why we must tread the fine line of supporting Ukraine without us actually stumbling into a war ourselves.
Because of a war that is the biggest challenge to European security and an existential threat to our allies? It seems fair enough to mention that fact if you are concerned about political instability.
But it is not, and never has been that we are “at war”. That narrative has not been used widely if at all and your single headline doesn’t suggest it.
It doesn’t actually matter what you think of Boris. It is a depressing facet of current political discourse that something good done by a person you hate cannot be admitted.
It is idiotic when the fact, the proven, recorded fact is that the UK has delivered huge amounts of material to Ukraine and much more besides. Not empty promises, not just pledges, not lies. It is a matter of record that a moments research would show to you. if you were intellectually honest enough to do so.
Or have those tanks been blowing themselves up?
The UK is not at war with Russia and have gone to great lengths to make sure of that. We are supporting Ukraine and to that extent we are “in it” if that is a turn of phrase you want to use.
And the Leader of the Opposition has weighed in. He may force them to make that statement, or push BoJo out entirely.
Keir Starmer has said that Labour is considering bringing a motion of non-confidence in the government. If so, it will be framed to highlight all of the reasons why Boris is not fit to lead (and if I were drafting it, will include quotations to that effect from the various resignation letters).
Then the Tories would have to choose between voting confidence in a PM they’ve disavowed, or really, really, get him gone, if they want to stay in power.
Absolute codswallop. If “there’s a war on” meant “there’s a war on somewhere we’re backing” then there’s NOT been a war on for about a total of 15 minutes in the last 50 years. What with us backing whatever side of against the soviets, Afghanistan I, anyone against Iran, then Iraq, Bosnian/Kosovo, on terror. Afghanistan 2, then Somalia, Sierra Leon, then Sudan, Yemen, Libya, Syria, ISIS and now finally Ukraine. Oh yes, and the Troubles in Northern Ireland since the late 60s to the late 90s.
And you literally quote an article which says “The second-ranked country, the United Kingdom, has pledged far less - $2.5 billion – in the given time frame”. And claim that “pledged” means “delivered” (“fact”);
I’m giving up on you. You clearly are incapable of reading articles. And keep quoting me the same crap.
Now you show yourself as clearly disingenous. The first article talks about the amount pledged in total by all countries. By your logic that means that no-one on that list has actually delivered anything. My second link (that was part of the same paragraph, was part of the same point, that you clearly couldn’t be bothered to read and tellingly snipped from my quote) tells you what has physically been sent.
I mean, it takes 5 seconds to type “what has the UK delivered to the Ukraine”
into google and top of the list is this link. I quote.
We have sent more than 6,900 new anti-tank missiles, known as NLAWs—next-generation light anti-tank weapons—a further consignment of Javelin anti-tank missiles, eight air defence systems, including Starstreak anti-air missiles, 1,360 anti-structure munitions and 4.5 tonnes of plastic explosives
And that is from May, note that it refers to other material not mentioned that had already been sent and more has been sent in the meantime and more is on the way.
heck, we didn’t even wait until the shooting started to support the Ukraine.
You are trying to say that the UK has promised and not delivered, that is easily demonstrable as bullshit and you are dishonest. You either have not done the most rudimentary research on your claim or are flat out lying. I’m not interested in getting you to admit you’ve been caught out, people like you never do. The reason I provide the actual evidence is so that the casual reader can see for themselves where the truth lies.
Do you still want to maintain that the UK has delivered nothing to the Ukraine?
I did not fail to read that line. I found it not relevant. I did not question the proportionality, I questioned the claim that something has been delivered, when it reality it has been pledged, by a proven repetitive liar who promises everything, delivers nothing, and then blames everyone else.
It’s what he’s done over and over and over again. And yet people keep falling for it. He’s a fraudster. He’s doing it again, talking a load of crap to try and divert from his latest scandal. Bridges which never appear. Promises of hundred mile tunnels under the irish sea at massive cost to solve a problem which it won’t solve. So given he’s done this many times before and all of a sudden he’s actually “delivered” something for a change, I wanted to see the words “delivered” and nope, it’s not there. Proportion of GDP? Absolutely no relevance, given it’s pretty much never delivered.
