Who was in the Americas pre 8000 years ago?

if you put [url=and the address here] you can put title here and then [/ur1] (using an l instead of the 1) you won’t keep blowing the width out of these threads.


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I think your teacher may have been referring to the Lumbee Indians of North Carolina, who reportedly had some blue- and grey-eyed members. It’s been theorized that this was the result of the assimilation of colonists from the failed English colony at Roanoke into the local Indian population.


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So does this mean that we sort of agree that there could have been humans in the Americas before the land bridges between Asia and Alaska?

And then what about this? “Not arguing against “Out of” but seeing a possibility for Out of’s to be mixing with Asian locals and contributing to the pool.” Who were the local Asians?


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Uh, the Ainu are not Caucasian, but described as having Caucasoid features, mainly lots of hair. If you’ve seen pictures of full blooded Ainu you’ll see that they are as “white” looking as Australian aborigines are, i.e. not really. Mainly they are described as such to differentiate them from the modern Japanese.

BTW, in reponse to a comment re. the Japanese from the other topic. The Japanese are descended from Koreans who are descended from the Chinese. The Koreans are actually an isolated group of Chinese from thousand years back. They are what the Chinese originally looked like before all the intermingling of blood from all the different invaders during the last 3-4 thousand years in China.

I tend to think that the Ainu type were the earlier inhabitants of Asia. In fact the Ainu type are not restricted to Japan but also the Kurile and Sakhalin Islands and around the Amur (Black Dragon) river between Russia and China. I think it was these people who travelled over to America first and begot Kennewick man.

Modern Asians (Mongoloid/Chinese type) then displaced (or wiped) out these earlier inhabitants, pushing them to where they are today (Japanese almost wiped them out too). What is tragic is that Modern Asians also followed them to N. America and wiped them out there as well.

I belive Modern Asians started out in the Northern part of China and then moved Southwards displacing different groups. The peoples of South East Asia who look quite different from the Chinese used to inhabit South China until they were pushed into IndoChina, and they in turn pushed the aborginals towards and into Australia. I believe that the Polynesians originated in the Fukien area of China before modern Chinese were around.

Jois: In general we would all agree with who and how being fuzzy. There are the possibilities of boat people from
Australia, Asia & Iberia but without hard evidence. I would expect increased possibilities for the Bearing route with or
without land. There were probably long periods on either side of the land period when distances were shortened with
ice extensions making he trip quite a bit shorter. I’ll have to check on the dates when the bridge happened previously.

I think the people “Trout Mask Replica” mentions are the group some anthropologists are trying to connect with Iberia.

I tried to make more of a connection with Asian types but the info I’m seeing is fractured - at least to me. There does
not seem to be a bunch of evidence there. Look at this link for a “complete” listing of all the fossil evidence for China.
I tried to run the Ainu back through India or more north back to Africa or multiregionaly to somewhere on the mainland
but could not.

Complete fossil evidence listing for China

Your second question is for the Neanderthal thread so I’ll post there.

**Jois:]/b] In general we would all agree with who and how being fuzzy. There are the possibilities of boat people from Australia, Asia & Iberia but without hard evidence. I would expect increased possibilities for the Bearing route with or without land. There were probably long periods on either side of the land period when distances were shortened with ice extensions making he trip quite a bit shorter. I’ll have to check on the dates when the bridge happened previously.

I think the people “Trout Mask Replica” mentions are the group some anthropologists are trying to connect with Iberia.

I tried to make more of a connection with Asian types but the info I’m seeing is fractured - at least to me. There does not seem to be a bunch of evidence there. Look at this link for a “complete” listing of all the fossil evidence for China. I tried to run the Ainu back through India or more north back to Africa or multiregionaly to somewhere on the mainland but could not.

Complete fossil evidence listing for China

Your second question is for the Neanderthal thread so I’ll post there.

That fossile cite for China is great! I need to go back and re-read but did you notice that they have two Neanderthal faces at the two top corners? Neaderthals never got that far East, well, at least until now.


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WAsn’t the route to Japan through China? How could there be older fossils in Japan than in China?


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