Who Was the Greatest President of All Time?

Well, I wouldn’t go that far.

Only people who don’t understand what actually happened (or how our government works) say this. As has already been pointed out, FDR could not pack the court just by naming names. Congress has specified how many justices sit on the court since 1789, and would have had to pass an amendment to the Judiciary Act for FDR to name more justices.

I don’t know why we are talking about McCain, since he has never been POTUS. I’ll just say that Swiftboating is a dick thing to do no matter which side it is.

It wasn’t about rating them, there was a claim the “Trail of Tears” was basically the first of its kind (since that is implied with the term “invent”), and that just isn’t true.

You should have stuck with your original statement that “I have never seen any real daylight between the Democrats and Republicans on foreign policy and the propensity to go to war.”

Bill Clinton ordered bombing of Iraqi military facilities every few weeks, putting him in a position where there was pressure to take more definitive action. Alistair Cooke plausibly argued that if it wasn’t for the Lewinsky affair, Clinton would have been the President who ordered troops into Iraq.

Also, do you recall that one of the reasons Gore argued against the 2003 invasion was that Bush wouldn’t stay there long enough:

After 9/11, the pressure on the US president, any US president, to show resolve was overwhelming. That’s an example of why you were right the first time: “I have never seen any real daylight between the Democrats and Republicans on foreign policy and the propensity to go to war.” The out of office party will criticize the timing of invasions and withdrawals, but don’t mistake that for an actual likelihood of acting differently if in power.

This web page summarizes the causes of wars:

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/rummel/wpp.chap16.htm

You’ll notice that whether the US President is a Republican or Democrat is not on the list.

According to their own quote:

That is five. They were his.

McCain was a truly shitty pilot, reckless by his own admission. He was never cleared of the Forrestal disaster, and never charged due to his daddy being the admiral. All a big cover up.

He doesn’t need to be cleared. The missile didn’t come from his plane.

And he wasn’t in the cockpit of his plane at the time. How do you know he wasn’t busy annoying the ground crew working on the plane that the missile did come from? Or in the cockpit of it. Hmmm?

This swiftboating thing is really weird the way it comes back to bite you in the ass.

We’re trying to fight ignorance, not add to it. You don’t land airplanes on a carrier if you are a shitty pilot. Take your conspiracy theories to the nitwits who believe Obama was born in Kenya.

So you are saying that McCain was not a poor pilot? Can you name any Navy pilot who was still allowed to fly after losing two planes who was not the son of an admiral? How about one? You have a very naive view of the world. If your father is a big shot, you get to fly jets in the US military if you want to. Bush II, shitty pilot, but not as bad as McCain. What they had in common was being part of the elite.

The difference between McCain and Obama is that Obama was not born in Kenya, while McCain lost four planes and had a landing so bad in a fifth that it’s systems thought it was a crash.

Perhaps I’m naive, but I believe you fall for CTs if they skewer someone you don’t like. I’ll repeat: you don’t land planes on an aircraft carrier if you are a shitty pilot. It’s like saying shitty spellers make it to the spelling bee finals. You have yet to say something 100% factual about McCain.

I think almost exactly along the same lines. My only difference is that if push comes to shove, I would drop FDR to third and sit unable to choose between Washington and Lincoln.

Perhaps I should have held off for a few posts. At least Stringbean was talking about an actual president.

Forrestal? What part was he at fault for? I don’t get it.

McCain might have been a “shitty” pilot, but “shitty” is relative. Maybe he was a C- or even D pilot, as far as carrier pilots go… but compared to all pilots in the world, or even all military pilots in the US, he still might have been a B+ or A- pilot.

Being a Republican.

-RNATB, bleeding heart liberal.

FWIW regarding this idiotic McCain hijack, his Wikipedia entry states:

McCain began as a sub-par flier who was at times careless and reckless; during the early to mid-1960s, the planes he was flying crashed twice and once collided with power lines, but he received no major injuries. His aviation skills improved over time, and he was seen as a good pilot, albeit one who tended to “push the envelope” in his flying.

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I can’t pick one, but I would say the top five best Presidents of all time were Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, George Washington and Lyndon Johnson. Top 10 would be:

  1. Lincoln
  2. FDR
  3. TR
  4. Washington
  5. LBJ
  6. James K. Polk
  7. Dwight D. Eisenhower
  8. Harry Truman
  9. JFK
  10. Richard Nixon

… was there another Richard Nixon?

Bringing American through the depression would make FDR one of the greatest presidents. Bringing the US through WW2 would make FDR one of the greatest presidents. Doing both IMHO puts him at the top.

I’ve waited a long time for this :slight_smile: but I’ve got to say, “The Presidents’ brains are missing!”

(I’m guessing this zombie thread was resurrected by a now-disappeared spammer.)