In what possible way is this subject 34,000 years old?
jdague:
The symbol of the swastika even traveled to the New World, carried by a group of Phoenician Canaanites who sailed from the Red Sea, around Africa, who became shipwrecked in a storm and landed on the coast of Brazil.
Very little of the history in your two posts is accepted as fact by historians and archaeologists, but you are certainly welcome to believe it. But this segment, about a Phoenician/Brazilian connection, seems particularly far-fetched (literally and figuratively).
There is a much more interesting debate in history and archaeology about how much Western Civilisation owes to the Canaanites, since the Phoenicians were closely associated with Canaan in ancient times, and we have inherited much of our alphabet from this source, among other things.
Smapti
June 15, 2023, 9:24am
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Ahem.
The Maya Hero Twins are the central figures of a narrative included within the colonial Kʼicheʼ document called Popol Vuh, and constituting the oldest Maya myth to have been preserved in its entirety. Called Hunahpu [hunaxˈpu] and Xbalanque [ʃɓalaŋˈke] in the Kʼicheʼ language, the Twins have also been identified in the art of the Classic Mayas (200–900 AD). The twins are often portrayed as complementary forces.
The Twin motif recurs in many Native American mythologies; the Maya Twins, in partic...
After being invited to Xibalba by One-Death and Seven-Death, the Lords of the Underworld, to a game of Pok Ta Pok, a Mayan Ballgame, Hun Hunahpu (lit. One-Hunahpu) and Vucub Hunahpu (lit. Seven-Hunahpu) were defeated and sacrificed. Hun-Hunahpu’s head was put in a tree. When Blood Moon, the daughter of Blood Gatherer, one of the Lords of the Underworld, passes by the tree, he speaks to her and impregnates her with his spittle. Her father finds out that she is pregnant and convenes with One-Death and Seven-Death. They decide that if Blood Moon is not willing to tell them who the father is, she should be killed. Blood Moon truthfully answers that she has not slept with anyone, which is taken as a lie because she is visibly pregnant. Thus, they order their Owl Messengers to kill her and bring back her heart as proof. She tells the owls the truth and they agree to spare her. They create a faux heart out of red tree sap which they bring back to the Lords of the Underworld. The owls then show her the way to the world above. Here she goes to the house of Xpiyacoc, the mother of Hun Hunahpu and Vucub Hunahpu, who lives with One-Monkey and One-Artisan, the first born children of Hun Hunahpu which he conceived with Egret Woman. Blood Moon tells Xpiyacoc she is pregnant with her grandchildren. Xpiyacoc at first does not believe her and orders her - as a trial - to pick a big netful of corn ears from the garden of One-Monkey and One-Artisan. When Blood Moon arrives in the garden, however, there is only one maize plant. She calls upon the Guardians of Food and the corn plant magically produces enough ears to fill the net. Xpiyacoc now recognizes that Blood Moon is telling the truth. She later gives birth to the children, Hunahpu and Xbalanque. The sons—or ‘Twins’—grow up to avenge their father, and after many trials, finally defeated the lords of the Underworld in a ballgame. The Popol Vuh features other episodes involving the Twins as well (see below), including the destruction of a pretentious bird demon, Vucub Caquix, and of his two demonic sons. The Twins also turned their half-brothers into the howler monkey gods, who were the patrons of artists and scribes. The Twins were finally transformed into sun and moon, signaling the beginning of a new age.
I fail to see how that narrative bears any resemblance to the tale of Cain and Abel.
(It’s Abel , BTW, not “Able”.)
Ya didn’t quote the most important part!
The name “Xbalanque” (pronounced ʃɓalaŋˈke) has been variously translated as ‘Jaguar Sun’ (x-balam-que ), ‘Hidden Sun’ (x-balan-que ), and ‘Jaguar Deer’ (x-balam-quieh ). The initial sound may stem from yax (precious), since in Classical Maya, a hieroglyphic element of this meaning precedes the pictogram of the hero (although it has also been suggested to be the female prefix ix- ). For the combination of prefix and pictogram, a reading as Yax Balam has been proposed. The name “Hunahpu” (pronounced hunaxˈpu) is usually understood as Hun-ahpub ‘One-Blowgunner’, the blowgun characterizing the youthful hero as a hunter of birds.
jdague:
“Hunahpu” is “Hannibal”
I thought you said he’s Cain or is he Able?
Smapti
June 15, 2023, 9:46am
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jdague:
nations with red and white flags (Malta was occupied 6,000 years ago)
And its flag was introduced in 1952. What’s your point?
The flag of Malta (Maltese: Bandiera ta' Malta) is a bicolour, with white in the hoist and red in the fly. A representation of the George Cross, awarded to Malta by George VI in 1942, is carried, edged with red, in the canton of the white stripe. The flag was first recognized in the May of 1952.
The red hue in the Maltese flag is officially documented as Pantone 186 C, RGB (207,20,43), Hex #CF142B or Spot Colour - 50% rubine red • 50% warm red.
The constitution of Malta also states that the whi...
“Hunahpu” is “Hannibal” the military leader from the Carthage Canaanites during the Punic wars against Rome. It is also the Old High German “Hananna”, and “Kananna”, or “Canaanite”, while “Xbalenque” is “X-Abel-Enque” or “Z-Abel-Enque”.
You seem to be operating on a basis of “These words sound similar, therefore they must be etymologically related”. I assure you that is not how linguistics works.
Smapti
June 15, 2023, 10:00am
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jdague:
Cannibalism, interpersonal violence, slavery, warfare, and genocide, also inherited from Neanderthals and the first people to inherit genes of Neanderthals.
You realize that all modern humans have Neanderthal DNA, right?
Genetic studies on Neanderthal ancient DNA became possible in the late 1990s.
The Neanderthal genome project, established in 2006, presented the first fully sequenced Neanderthal genome in 2013.
Since 2005, evidence for substantial admixture of Neanderthal DNA in modern populations is accumulating.
The divergence time between the Neanderthal and modern human lineages is estimated at between 750,000 and 400,000 years ago.
The recent time is suggested by Endicott et al. (2010)
and Rieux et al. (2...
Positive evidence for admixture was first published in May 2010. Neanderthal-inherited genetic material is found in all non-African populations and was initially reported to comprise 1 to 4 percent of the genome. This fraction was refined to 1.5 to 2.1 percent. Further analyses have found that Neanderthal gene flow is even detectable in African populations, suggesting that some variants obtained from Neanderthals posed a survival advantage. Approximately 20 percent of Neanderthal DNA survives in modern humans; however, a single human has an average of around 2% Neanderthal DNA overall with some countries and backgrounds having a maximum of 3% per human.
jdague:
whose genes have caused every war and every conflict which has ever existed.
This is basically pseudo-scientific racism, which isn’t permitted here.
This is closed.