# Who where the first terrorists coining the phrase? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 11, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255 "2015-11-11T04:11:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/21 "2015-11-11T05:06:37Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You want a debate? I thought you were just ranting. The root of this debate has already occurred, they were not the first terrorists, coining the phrase. From there there is not much else to say. Except this, how should I have started this debate to make it more of a discussion-? 😕 Lets discuss those specific terrorists that I noted that few Americans even know about? If the American people had known; Israel would not be getting $trillions in US handouts, that I am sure of ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/22 "2015-11-11T05:14:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > First off, .,.,._State what you want to debate, provide an example and make your argument_. I want to debate why we Americans are giving Israel $$$ trillions while they claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East. This is debatable, lets debate it here-? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/23 "2015-11-11T05:18:15Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > The root of this debate has already occurred, they were not the first terrorists, coining the phrase. From there there is not much else to say. Except this, how should I have started this debate to make it more of a discussion-? 😕 Resolved, the Irgun were not the first terrorists. As for making it more of a discussion, I suggest more temperate use of capital letters and bold text. > [@](#): > > Lets discuss those specific terrorists that I noted that few Americans even know about? If the American people had known; Israel would not be getting $trillions in US handouts, that I am sure of Americans don’t know a lot of things. If you really want to raise awareness, try to sound less like an internet ranter. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/24 "2015-11-11T05:20:57Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > I want to debate why we Americans are giving Israel $$$ trillions while they claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East. Ambiguous statement. Do you think there are other nations in the Middle East that are democracies (if so, please name them) and/or do you believe Israel is not a democracy (if so, please specify why). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/25 "2015-11-11T05:23:12Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > I want to debate why we Americans are giving Israel $$$ trillions while they claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East. > > This is debatable, lets debate it here-? 😉 As of 2013, [total aid has been 130 billion](http://www.wrmea.org/2013-october-november/congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-u.s.-direct-aid-to-israel-more-than-$130-billion.html). Only 492 years to go for the first trillion. ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/26 "2015-11-11T05:29:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Ambiguous statement. _Do you think there are other nations in the Middle East that are democracies (if so, please name them)_ This is not a discussion about “other” countries, this is a discussion about Israel’s democracy if it exists LOL > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _and/or do you believe Israel is not a democracy (if so, please specify why)_. Israel is “not” a democracy because the Palestinians and/or all the non-Jews are not treated equally & if you want to debate this I will start a new discussion covering just this topic. Are you game-? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/27 "2015-11-11T05:38:45Z")
**Bryan Ekers** , if you had to choose between [A] or \*\* below which would you chose-? To save the lives of 500 people you must pick one of the following— [A] one Israeli dies \*\* five Americans die If you had to choose, which would it be, A or B to save the lives of 500-? just asking 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/28 "2015-11-11T05:42:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > _As of 2013,total-u.s.-direct-aid-to-israel-more-than-$130-billion.html"]total aid has been 130 billion. Only 492 years to go for the first trillion._ Again I stand corrected, thanks. Actually I was thinking in terms of billions and typed trillions. I have an over exaggerated imagination & I am taking bills to correct it, but it does seen they are not working I stand corrected yet again :smack: ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/29 "2015-11-11T05:48:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _If you really want to raise awareness, try to sound less like an internet ranter_. That will take all the fun out of it, but ok, I’ll give it a try. Better yet, why don’t I just go away-? ok; bye (:- ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/30 "2015-11-11T05:51:28Z")
Pick a topic. Israel as democracy Terrorism in pre-Israeli Levant Something else? It is not our problem that you lived through the 1950s and 1960s without learning that Irgun was a terrorist organization. Just as it is not our fault that you appear to be unaware of the various Arab groups engaged in violence in the 1920s through 1940s. However, bouncing around from one topic to another is not a legitimate form of debate. Pick a topic. Spend time learning about both sides of the issue so that you can actually debate the topic. This thread is too confused to continue as a “debate.” Closed. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/31 "2015-11-11T05:57:13Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > Israel is “not” a democracy because the Palestinians and/or all the non-Jews are not treated equally & if you want to debate this I will start a new discussion covering just this topic. Are you game-? 😕 The Palestinians are not Israeli citizens. I accept that nonJewish Israeli citizens may be at time treated unfairly, but if that invalidates Israel’s status as a democracy, the U.S. loses theirs also, on a similar basis. I’m afraid I don’t have much confidence in your ability and interest to engage in a productive discussion about Israel, giving your writing in this and related threads, so… no, I’m not “game.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255/32 "2015-11-11T06:00:53Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > **Bryan Ekers** , if you had to choose between [A] or \*\* below which would you chose-? > > To save the lives of 500 people you must pick one of the following— > > [A] one Israeli dies > > \*\* five Americans die > > If you had to choose, which would it be, A or B to save the lives of 500-? > > just asking 🆒 I’d need more specifics on who are the 500, the 1 and the 5 in jeopardy, as well as why and how. Also by what mechanism saving the 500 kills the 1 or the 5 instead. Nationalities aside, and with no further detail, I guess if I had to choose between 500, 1 or 5 to die, I’d go with the 1, out of simple regard for numbers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-where-the-first-terrorists-coining-the-phrase/737255.md?page=1)