# Who will be Trump's running mate? (J. D. Vance Has Been Chosen) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 22, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511 "2024-01-22T20:48:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1382 "2024-08-16T15:13:38Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > a tone of sneering contempt every time That’s not Minnesota nice. Seriously - Walz has the “friendly, supportive neighbour/teacher/coach” vibe all wrapped up. Sneering contempt undoes all that. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1383 "2024-08-16T16:15:38Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I think a dirty look or two from Coach would cause emo teen JD to piss his pants. Vance is a Marine. He’s not a pushover. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1384 "2024-08-16T16:17:38Z")
“Let me couch this in terms that even Senator Vance can understand…” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1385 "2024-08-16T16:23:25Z")
Coach vs. Couch? But really, Vance isn’t Trump, and he’s a baby politically speaking. Don’t try to be tricky or rough, just point out his lies (and don’t clumsily try to work in your website if possible). Vance will try buzzwords and to keep Walz on the back foot and on defense. Ignore and counterpunch. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1386 "2024-08-16T16:51:30Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > What exactly would that look like? A text blast to the cell phone of every Democratic Party member saying, “Stay away from Vance’s couch.” ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1387 "2024-08-16T17:42:59Z")
Yup, he shore looks tough! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1388 "2024-08-16T18:39:54Z")
I think it’s a mistake to underestimate him. Anyone who gets through basic training with a Marine drill instructor has to have some gumption. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1389 "2024-08-16T18:53:32Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Don’t try to be tricky or rough, just point out his lies (and don’t clumsily try to work in your website if possible). Vance will try buzzwords and to keep Walz on the back foot and on defense. Ignore and counterpunch. They need to have a list of real problems they can respond with, when Vance brings up a fake problem. “Post birth abortions”; “That’s a bullshit fake problem, but what is a real problem is women not being able to access necessary healthcare in life-threatening situations.” “We need energy independence via coal and oil”; “That’s a bullshit fake problem, but what is a real problem is climate-change caused wildfires that destroy untold acres of land and thousands of houses every year.” “There’s murderers and rapists sneaking across the border!” “That’s a bullshit fake problem, but what is a real problem is finding enough hard workers to harvest our crops every year.” And so on. Don’t even try to counter their bullshit with facts, just call it bullshit and point out that they’re ignoring the real problems. Press home the fact that you can’t fix the real problems we’re facing if you don’t even know what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1390 "2024-08-16T19:54:15Z")
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**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1391 "2024-08-16T20:31:12Z")
Weren’t the villains in _Gangs of New York_ the intolerant asshole nativists? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1392 "2024-08-16T21:04:44Z")
You mean the great American role models? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1393 "2024-08-16T21:12:16Z")
…played by Englishmen. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1394 "2024-08-16T22:04:59Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > “Let me couch this in terms that even Senator Vance can understand…” This elicited a genuine guffaw. **Please** _please_ make this a line that Walz uses during their debate. I also laughed at the comment accompanying this picture. [![](https://i.ibb.co/cNPkC31/IMG-1863.png) ](https://i.ibb.co/cNPkC31/IMG-1863.png) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1395 "2024-08-16T22:32:18Z")
This being from a couple weeks ago, it may have already been posted: [![](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06faac8e-0f14-48aa-bdb1-7670240bbf04_828x1133.jpeg) ](https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F06faac8e-0f14-48aa-bdb1-7670240bbf04_828x1133.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1396 "2024-08-16T23:31:20Z")
It’s worth noting that Vance thought it wise to raise negative historic Irish stereotypes _at a police union event_. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1397 "2024-08-16T23:49:39Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Weren’t the villains in _Gangs of New York_ the intolerant asshole nativists? They were pretty much all villains. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1398 "2024-08-17T00:15:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s worth noting that Vance thought it wise to raise negative historic Irish stereotypes _at a police union event_. I’m thinking we need a Monty Python “Life of Brian”-esque “Oi! Now he’s having a go at the Irish!” moment here. And of course, he misses the big picture: Those very same “ethnic enclaves” eventually became _just Americans_. Why will the current immigrants be any different? Oh, right, the racism. Maybe fix that, instead? ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1399 "2024-08-17T01:00:58Z")
I do think Vance should not be underestimated. He does have a law degree from Yale. Presumably he knows how to make a case and despite the fact that his paucity of political experiemce is showing, he may do better in a debate format. That said, I think Walz is much more savvy behind the scenes than he lets on and a lot of his image may be carefully cultivated. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1400 "2024-08-17T01:07:57Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > He does have a law degree from Yale I look at all those Yale and Harvard and Wharton Law and Business grads out there populating DC, and y’kow, the Ivies have a lot of 'splainin to do. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511/1401 "2024-08-17T03:30:33Z")
I don’t think these work. Passionate, but respectful is a better tone than aggressive and dismissive. They’re too easy to refute with talking points the other guy will have memorized. > [@Horatius](#): > > “We need energy independence via coal and oil”; “That’s a bullshit fake problem, but what is a real problem is… “A bullshit fake problem? Tell that to the hard-working families of some-town whose mine was shut down by the out-of-control, illegal EPA, etc.” > [@Horatius](#): > > “There’s murderers and rapists sneaking across the border!” “That’s a bullshit fake problem, but what is a real… “A bullshit fake problem? Tell that to the families of so-and-so who lost their mother to a dangerous illegal, etc.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-running-mate-j-d-vance-has-been-chosen/996511.md?page=71)