# Who will be Trump's VP? \[plus\] Trump's Vice-President choice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179 "2016-01-20T17:51:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/421 "2016-07-15T21:23:36Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Good God Almighty, the Trump/Pence logo is ridiculously bad and easily mocked… > > [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-vp-pick-mike-spence-logo-225612](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-vp-pick-mike-spence-logo-225612) > > What in the world were they thinking there? If I was running a campaign, one of the most important members would be a cynical 20-something, who I’d run everything by to get how they would make fun of it. If they come up with a lot of things easily to make fun of about the logo or ad or whatever, I’d revamp it. However, I imagine that the Trump campaign has a lot more yes men than people who are willing and able to point out that something is a bad idea. Also, not a lot of competent people who have worked on campaigns before. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/422 "2016-07-15T21:37:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That someone would have to be Trump himself. > > Naw, they’ll send him on a McDonald’s run. [If he won’t pick up Trump’s dry-cleaning](http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/furious-christie-refuses-to-pick-up-trumps-dry-cleaning), he sure as hell won’t be making a McDonald’s run. (Except for himself.) The Borowitz Report. Satire ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/423 "2016-07-15T23:53:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’ll be curious to see if Trump can play nice with Pence for the duration. I feel like Trump’s the kind of guy who doesn’t take too kindly to disagreement from his underlings. I wouldn’t be surprised to see any behind-the-scenes disagreements sneak out into the public at some point, just as a sign of who’s boss. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > … I imagine that the Trump campaign has a lot more yes men than people who are willing and able to point out that something is a bad idea … I read an interview with Trump not long ago that seemed to be pretty honestly written by a reporter who got to hang around with him and his entourage for a while, and this is exactly what Trump is like – cannot tolerate disagreement, pathologically insecure, and is surrounded by sycophantic yes-men. This is probably why Trump is always reminding us that he is very, very smart – how could he NOT think that when everyone is always agreeing with him and praising his great ideas and vast wisdom. So from that same perspective, anyone on the outside who criticizes him must be some kind of oddball and an idiot. Pence had better learn to be a good sycophantic toadie and perfect yes-man or he won’t be around long! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/424 "2016-07-16T01:06:30Z")
www.trumppence.gop I love this. Oops. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/425 "2016-07-16T01:19:29Z")
Cute little “contribute” they got there. How much money does it take to have a website? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/426 "2016-07-16T01:23:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Cute little “contribute” they got there. How much money does it take to have a website? Legal costs when Trump sues. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/427 "2016-07-16T02:17:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Legal costs when Trump sues. He’ll be paying those when the judge laughs him out of court. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/428 "2016-07-16T02:19:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > He’ll be paying those when the judge laughs him out of court. That judge was very, very bad. Horribly biased against me. Very unfair. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/429 "2016-07-16T03:26:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That judge was very, very bad. Horribly biased against me. Very unfair. Was he also Hispanic? Because obviously he was biased. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/430 "2016-07-16T03:27:00Z")
So by picking Pence, Trump’s strategy appears to be to try to bring in the evangelical vote. Is that likely to work? I’m sure Trump will throw a couple of bones to that base, but from his past it’s pretty clear that he’s not much a christian and has flip flopped on abortion claiming he was pro choice in 2011 and now claiming the opposite. Is the evangelical voting base going to be as easily manipulated as Trump’s bitter racist blue collar base? And yeah, if Trump personally approved that logo then I really do suspect this whole thing is a big piss take by him, how could anyone not see 'Trump Penetration" in that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/431 "2016-07-16T04:07:34Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > If I was running a campaign, one of the most important members would be a cynical 20-something, who I’d run everything by to get how they would make fun of it. If they come up with a lot of things easily to make fun of about the logo or ad or whatever, I’d revamp it… I’ve had the same thought. But I doubt Trump ever has - or will. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/432 "2016-07-16T04:32:59Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > So by picking Pence, Trump’s strategy appears to be to try to bring in the evangelical vote. Is that likely to work? I’m sure Trump will throw a couple of bones to that base, but from his past it’s pretty clear that he’s not much a christian and has flip flopped on abortion claiming he was pro choice in 2011 and now claiming the opposite. > > Is the evangelical voting base going to be as easily manipulated as Trump’s bitter racist blue collar base? And yeah, if Trump personally approved that logo then I really do suspect this whole thing is a big piss take by him, how could anyone not see 'Trump Penetration" in that. He does not have to bring them in since [they are already there](http://www.pewforum.org/2016/07/13/evangelicals-rally-to-trump-religious-nones-back-clinton/). > [@](#): > > Indeed, the latest Pew Research Center survey finds that despite the professed wariness toward Trump among many high-profile evangelical Christian leaders, evangelicals as a whole are, if anything, even more strongly supportive of Trump than they were of Mitt Romney at a similar point in the 2012 campaign. At that time, nearly three-quarters of white evangelical Protestant registered voters said they planned to vote for Romney, including one-quarter who “strongly” supported him.1 Now, fully 78% of white evangelical voters say they would vote for Trump if the election were held today, including about a third who “strongly” back his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/433 "2016-07-16T05:23:42Z")
Ok but why were the evangelicals supporting him before he picked Pence? it’s pretty clear he’s not one of them and I would have thought his past public declaration of being pro-choice would have made him unpalatable? (confused non US observer) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/434 "2016-07-16T05:37:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That judge was very, very bad. Horribly biased against me. Very unfair. The judge should apologize and resign. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/435 "2016-07-16T07:42:16Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Ok but why were the evangelicals supporting him before he picked Pence? it’s pretty clear he’s not one of them and I would have thought his past public declaration of being pro-choice would have made him unpalatable? > > (confused non US observer) He’s both Not Clinton and A Republican. The fact he said some insane things about abortion recently probably helped, even though he recanted the most insane bit. Mostly, though, the ones who are most pro-Trump are the ones who think it’s their duty to keep the Democrats out of office at any cost. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/436 "2016-07-16T10:15:18Z")
So Trump picked an apprentice that would be a worse President than him. Does this help or hurt him? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/437 "2016-07-16T10:36:28Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Ok but why were the evangelicals supporting him before he picked Pence? it’s pretty clear he’s not one of them and I would have thought his past public declaration of being pro-choice would have made him unpalatable? > > (confused non US observer) In the US “evangelical” is as much a tribal affiliation as it is a set of religious beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/438 "2016-07-16T10:53:34Z")
I read that Trump is botching his campaign horrendously; spending no money; and now bungling the VP pick and announcement. Yet the latest Rasmussen Poll has Trump ahead of Hillary 44-37 among likely voters. Predictwise gives the GOP a 30% chance to occupy the Oval Office next January. What gives? If Trump were running a “smart” campaign would he now be ahead in a landslide? Or is it his very stupidity which endears him to many voters? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/439 "2016-07-16T11:47:01Z")
That Rasmussen poll is quite an outlier so I think it mainly means they’re just off. Bu the fact that the candidates are about tied is pretty amazing given the spending and nuttiness gap. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2016, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179/440 "2016-07-16T12:16:14Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Ok but why were the evangelicals supporting him before he picked Pence? His style of bombast is appealing to those who embrace a simplistic, good vs. evil (with us being the good ones, of course) view of the world, and Muslims (and other non-Christians but mainly the terr’ists) and heretic gays, and coloreds and non-English speakers, are definablethe bad, who desire a return to a time that never existed when America Was Great. He doesn’t depress any of them with discussions of a complex reality and difficult choices. IMHO. > [@](#): > > I would have thought his past public declaration of being pro-choice would have made him unpalatable? He’s gone to a choleric anti-abortion view, including calling for a woman who has an abortion to be punished. As obviously pandering as that may be, it can still be interpreted as a sinner recanting and now seeing the light of God. So they can embrace that too. Anyway, the fact that he thinks he needs to shore up his support among the demographic that a Republican should most be able to take for granted shows some serious self-doubt. Or it may be intentionally self-defeating. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-be-trumps-vp-plus-trumps-vice-president-choice/751179.md?page=23)