# Who will "die" in the comic books 2011 edition (One of the Fantastic 4 will) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 31, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990 "2010-12-31T21:09:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/21 "2011-01-04T22:28:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m going with Sue. > > 1. Comic book characters get killed off all the time. People don’t really care much anymore. So I think Marvel will up the stakes by killing off a female character, which is still relatively rare. Rare in Marvel? Recently? They killed off the Wasp not long ago. They functionally killed off the Scarlet Witch & Kitty Pryde. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/22 "2011-01-04T22:31:06Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Plus, raw strength isn’t Ben’s power any more than stretching is Reed’s. Reed’s power is his brain (and a couple of writers have played with the idea that he can literally reshape his brain for different functions: math, intutition, etc). Ben’s “power” is indomidable will. NOTHING can break him. If he was given a GL ring, he’d be able to kick Hal Jordan’s ass. I don’t know that I’d go so far as the kicking Jordan’s ass bit, but the rest is undoubtedly true. Which, oddly, is why Ben might be killed. He’s the last man on Earth who’s going to stay out of a fight just because he’s temporarily powerless. If any of his teammates were in danger he’d die before giving up his defense of them. Likewise – even more so, probably – the two kids. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/23 "2011-01-04T22:32:56Z")
They just did an arc about Sue’s death (well, future Sue) so it would pretty lame. It’s also dumb to make it a “death.” If you depowered Johnny, he’d be absolutely worthless to the team. Depower him and you can still do the “Three” arc. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/24 "2011-01-05T02:07:41Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Rare in Marvel? Recently? They killed off the Wasp not long ago. They functionally killed off the Scarlet Witch & Kitty Pryde. I said relatively rare. Everyone in comic books gets killed once in awhile. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/25 "2011-01-05T02:30:07Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > It’s also dumb to make it a “death.” If you depowered Johnny, he’d be absolutely worthless to the team. Can’t say that about a depowered Reed, though. (Heck, even when he’s _ **got** _ his powers he makes it through story after story without bothering to get all stretchy.) ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/26 "2011-01-05T03:55:26Z")
It’d actually surprise me a little if they killed off Sue—wouldn’t that kinda go against Joe Quesada’s supposed mother issues? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/27 "2011-01-05T12:23:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > 1. They’d never dare kill Willie Lumpkin. His ear wiggling power is too necessary for Earth’s survival. I would wager good money that he’ll die when Stan Lee dies. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/28 "2011-01-05T13:27:24Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Can’t say that about a depowered Reed, though. (Heck, even when he’s _ **got** _ his powers he makes it through story after story without bothering to get all stretchy.) True, there was a great story arc in the 1970s, around issue 170 or so, where Reed lost his powers and still managed to defeat Annihilus, the Frightful Four and others. My money is on Johnny dying, all of the others have died at some point so it would be a rehash of the past to kill them. Plus he’s the most replaceable as there are currently at least two other human torch like beings in the MU and that is not including mutants, aliens and former heralds of Galactus. Although the Thing is not unique as a character, except maybe in appearance, and is the second most replaceable I hope they keep him around because he works so well as a character, not as a power set. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/29 "2011-01-26T03:13:45Z")
[spoiler][http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/25/the-fantastic-four-member-who-dies-is/](http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/25/the-fantastic-four-member-who-dies-is/) > [@](#): > > The biggest mystery and the best-kept secret in the world of comics over the past few months has been revealed: Johnny Storm, better known as the Human Torch, dies in issue #587, released in stores a day early on Tuesday. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/30 "2011-01-26T05:05:31Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > I’m not a regular reader of Fantastic Four, but a friend and I made a deal - I’d read the first part of Hickman’s run, and he’d read Madame Xanadu… The Marshall Rogers book? If so, I found a copy in the back of a bait shop on a lake in the middle of Wisconsin this summer. Quite a treat. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/31 "2011-01-26T13:20:27Z")
No, the current run, written by Matt Wagner, and drawn, primarily, by the amazing Amy Reeder. (She’s not drawing the current arc - she trades arcs with other artists - as she will also be doing on Batwoman, although there the other artist will be consistent - the co-writer, JH Williams III.) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/32 "2011-01-26T16:51:12Z")
Fantastic Four: Countdown to Resurrection! A 324-part mini-series across 278 titles. Coming in 2012! ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/33 "2011-01-27T23:05:11Z")
Well that was anti-climactic He doesn’t even die onscreen? Just assumed to be overwhelmed and left for dead. Yeah that’s a death that’s going to stick. At least Captain America was actually shot ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/34 "2011-01-27T23:28:15Z")
In fact i’ll even wager when \ returns. One million internet points says that they’ll be back for issue 600. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/35 "2011-01-27T23:41:17Z")
Supposedly they’re retiring the Fantastic Four series that has been in continuous publication since 1961. They’re ending it with issue 588. And then in May, a new series, called “FF” launches. So everyone will get a chance to get FF #1, which will almost certainly be a reboot of the Fantastic Four. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/36 "2011-01-27T23:57:46Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > Supposedly they’re retiring the Fantastic Four series that has been in continuous publication since 1961. They’re ending it with issue 588. And then in May, a new series, called “FF” launches. So everyone will get a chance to get FF #1, which will almost certainly be a reboot of the Fantastic Four. > > Enjoy, > Steven Since they’ve had two other reboots (Ultimate Marvel, plus that whole thing with Franklin Richards), why do they think this one will be any better? ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/37 "2011-01-28T00:01:08Z")
:rolleyes: Classy move Marvel, classy move. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/38 "2011-01-28T00:03:04Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > Supposedly they’re retiring the Fantastic Four series that has been in continuous publication since 1961. They’re ending it with issue 588. And then in May, a new series, called “FF” launches. So everyone will get a chance to get FF #1, which will almost certainly be a reboot of the Fantastic Four. > > Enjoy, > Steven They’ve ended it and relaunched with a new #1 before, then a few years later reversed it and brought back the old numbering. Pretty much any Marvel series with the numbering above 200-300 has been through this, other than maybe Uncanny X-Men. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/39 "2011-01-29T23:36:24Z")
So, is Johnny dead? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990/40 "2011-01-30T03:23:10Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > So, is Johnny dead? It has been confirmed already many times. Now, they better not bring back that stupid H.E.R.B.I.E. robot to replace him.. :mad: 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-die-in-the-comic-books-2011-edition-one-of-the-fantastic-4-will/565990.md?page=3)