# Who Will Speak For Cable Softcore Porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 6, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004 "2012-04-06T15:57:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/21 "2012-04-06T20:43:49Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I am the Cinemax! I speak for the porn! “That’s a WOMAN?” ---
**Author:** ![SnakeBabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@SnakeBabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeBabe)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/22 "2012-04-06T21:15:23Z")
Soft core movies can be very profitable (based on their costs to produce) and affordable to make. Many soft core movies are edited versions of Hard core movies that have already been shot. Camera angles are done to not show what they dont want shown. This allows us to make a second movie at little cost. As for who watches it, many people do. It is not the the majority market share but there are enough consumers of it to produce these second edits and show a decent profit. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/23 "2012-04-06T21:45:01Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > They _have_ kept food on Eric Robert’s table for a long time. > > Good God! Looking at his [IMDB page](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000616/), I think we have the true ‘Hardest Working Man in Showbiz’. Just for 2012/13 he has 9 projects released and another 33 in some level of production (granted, most of it is crap). Take that, sis! Hmm, looking at that list, I see he was also in the Doctor Who movie that aired on Fox back in 1996. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/24 "2012-04-06T21:49:46Z")
Women supposedly either find soft core less objectionable, or like it better than, hard core. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/25 "2012-04-06T22:26:31Z")
I liked _Lord of the G-String_ and _Playmate of the Apes._ Or maybe I just like Misty Mundae. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/26 "2012-04-06T22:33:52Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > I’ve seen one soft core porn movie in my life that I found mildy interesting. I believe it was called The Ranch (or something like that.) > > Compared to any given main stream movie it was total crap. Compare it to any other SCP it was a fricken masterpiece! > > I actually watched the whole damn movie because I wanted to see how the plot line played out. Something no other SCP movie has ever done to me before. > > \*Did the OP just make a reference to Carl Sagan? I find that amusing. Some softcore films are a lot better than the others, but as you say, I dont know of any that rise to the level of a competent mainstream movie. Now if you compare them with made for SyFy Channel movies, you might have more of an equivalence, though even then, the budgets and hence the production values might be higher. Glad you liked my shout-out to Carl Sagan. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/27 "2012-04-06T22:43:18Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I think the answer is in [Popatopolis](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1453253/), a documentary about director’s Jim Wynorski frantic chase to film a complete softcore film in three days. > > Wynorski has directed about 90 movies. And the budgets and shooting schedules for them keep going down. At one time, he could could spend several weeks on a film. At that point in 2005 he was down to two lights, actors bringing and applying their own makeup, everybody staying in one rented house and cooking for each other, and anything else he could do to save money, trying for one take shots in every case. > > The documentary is light and fun and occasionally vicious - one big breasted veteran keeps complaining that this is not proper movie making but she is the star of one endless scene in which she goofs up a simple line dozens of times. She also complains that porn stars - i.e. non-actresses - are ruining the industry. > > What the documentary doesn’t do is the one thing you need to know. What happens if filming runs four days? Where do the costs go? How much more money would be spent or lost? Would any of it appear on the screen? The narration says that Wynorski was going to try to make one-day films in the future, and so would be even less concerned with quality. > > In any case, the film (I think it was The Witches of Breastwick) sold to cable and lots of other places and made money. No, I’ve never seen it. > > But the answer about quality seems to be a flat no. They are made for no other reason than to strip large-breasted women and have them fake sex. Why that still sells these days isn’t a question the documentary even tries to address. I’ve seen The Witches of Breastwick, it’s a pretty good softcore movie, mainly because it had some very well-endowed leads, Glori-anne Gilbert and Julie K. Smith. It did have the look of a cheapie production all right. And you are wrong about stripping just large breasted women, most actresses in softcore films have small or average size breasts. You just happened to watch one of the few films with a lot of large-breasted actresses. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/28 "2012-04-06T22:50:05Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > Is the OP complaining that soft-core doesn’t have the deep stories and plots that hard-core is so well known for? Soft-core that I have seen at least has some story to it which is more than I can say for the hard-core I’ve seen. Well hardcore has no plots, true, and it’s well known for having engaged in a prolonged “race to the bottom” in terms of production values. What hardcore has is its hardcoreness, explicit sexual images and plenty of them … and nothing else. So we KNOW why people watch hardcore. I’m not saying that that makes up for the rest. I’m saying it is what it is. > [@](#): > > In any case, I will speak up for soft-core porn. I have cable, I like looking at naked women and I don’t want to look at a 20 minute close up of a penis going in and out of a vagina with a squirt at the end. I don’t mind listening to some stupid dialogue for a few minutes while I wait for the hot chick to take off her clothes and pretend to fuck. Yes a good story would be nice. It would be nice in hard-core porn too but that is never going to happen. > … > > Exactly. Porn with stories, or stories with porn, that my wife and I can watch together. That’s fair enough. Hardcore can be kinda gross. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/29 "2012-04-06T22:55:45Z")
“I am the Spewlax! I speak for the vees!” ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/30 "2012-04-06T22:59:36Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I’ve seen The Witches of Breastwick, it’s a pretty good softcore movie, mainly because it had some very well-endowed leads, Glori-anne Gilbert and Julie K. Smith. It did have the look of a cheapie production all right. And you are wrong about stripping just large breasted women, most actresses in softcore films have small or average size breasts. You just happened to watch one of the few films with a lot of large-breasted actresses. Could be. As I said, I saw the documentary but not the movie itself. But I did check the IMDb pages of the actresses. They’ve been in more than a few movies. There must be at least a large niche for large breasts. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/31 "2012-04-06T23:18:48Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > If you turn on closed captioning, you can also view it for the articles. I had access to hardcore at the time, so I wasn’t watching it for the sex, hardcore is much better in that respect, at least, some of it was. I just thought it would be incredibly cool if the softcore films were to develop at least competent writing like they have on most TV series. Never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/32 "2012-04-06T23:43:33Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Or maybe I just like Misty Mundae. _Everybody_ likes Misty Mundae. About the only reason I ever actually bothered to sit through a softcore film. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeBabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@SnakeBabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeBabe)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/33 "2012-04-07T00:25:58Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I liked _Lord of the G-String_ and _Playmate of the Apes._ Or maybe I just like Misty Mundae. She did very well in the non porn Master Of Horror episode called Sick Girl. Did you see her in that? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/34 "2012-04-07T00:42:49Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > There are also those weird cable series that come pretty close to softcore porn, but try to maintain a level of respectibilty, shows like True Blood and Californication. I was going to mention _Californication_. It actually has writing, a plot, and acting. It’d be watchable even if the nudity and sex were removed (you’d still have to hint that the characters have sex since it’s often intengral to the plot). The “porn” is not even a very big fraction of an episode. Even _Shameless_, which is an excellent show, has scenes that could be considered softcore porn. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/35 "2012-04-07T00:45:37Z")
> [@SnakeBabe](#): > > She did very well in the non porn Master Of Horror episode called Sick Girl. Did you see her in that? I know she’s been on some episodes of CSI and she was on a television series called Lingerie, but I’ve never seen anything with Mundae that wasn’t a soft core movie. I hope she has a long and successful career even if it isn’t in the nude. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/36 "2012-04-07T01:47:17Z")
The really high budget hardcore movies will often get trimmed down into softcore versions suitable for video stores and cable. For example, the XXX epic _Pirates_ had a version that was only rated _aarrrrrrr!_ ---
**Author:** ![SnakeBabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@SnakeBabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeBabe)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/37 "2012-04-07T02:16:59Z")
> [@GreasyJack](#): > > The really high budget hardcore movies will often get trimmed down into softcore versions suitable for video stores and cable. For example, the XXX epic _Pirates_ had a version that was only rated _aarrrrrrr!_ 😃 haha ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/38 "2012-04-07T02:56:20Z")
> [@GreasyJack](#): > > The really high budget hardcore movies will often get trimmed down into softcore versions suitable for video stores and cable. For example, the XXX epic _Pirates_ had a version that was only rated _aarrrrrrr!_ /me shoots Greasy Jack. “Sorry, it had to be done!” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/39 "2012-04-07T03:01:59Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > /me shoots Greasy Jack. _looks at thread title_ _looks at post suspiciously_ With what, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004/40 "2012-04-07T03:26:07Z")
My husband watches a TV series about a therapist? writer? who has a boyfriend who she soft-cores and stories? fantasies? therapy sessions? with a bunch of soft-corness involved. It’s black people, so you may not have seen it. Damn, I can’t remember the name. Zaire? Zane? Anyway, this series tries very hard to be a passable soft-core soap opera. What I think is a real barrier is the venn diagram of people who will fake fuck on camera and people an ounce of acting talent has a very small overlap. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-speak-for-cable-softcore-porn/618004.md?page=3)