# Who will the Republican nominee be? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 3, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273 "2013-08-03T21:07:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/41 "2013-08-05T03:46:10Z")
If there’s one thing the Tea Party has proven though, is that it can win elections despite being outspent. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/42 "2013-08-05T03:55:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If there’s one thing the Tea Party has proven though, is that it can win elections despite being outspent. Not what took place in 2010. > **[Conservatives outspent liberals 2-1 in elections - USATODAY.com](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2010-11-04-money04_ST_N.htm)** > > Tuesday's midterm elections and the record amounts outside groups spent to oust Democratic incumbents are just a warm-up for 2012. More recently Tea Party favorite and current quitinator Michelle Bachman likely won thanks to the largesse of her contributors. > **[Politics: Latest news and headlines](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics?lite)** > > Find the latest political news stories, photos, and videos on NBCNews.com. Read breaking headlines covering Congress, Democrats, Republicans, and more. > [@](#): > > according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The candidates had raised a total of $22.7 million and spent $20.8 million, the center reported, **but Bachmann had outspent Graves by more than 12-to-one.** When one remembers how close the election was one has to point at the purse of her contributors as a deciding factor. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/43 "2013-08-05T04:31:30Z")
Outside spending was more, but Democrats easily outspent Republicans in 2010 overall: [http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/vital/VitalStats\_t13.pdf](http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/vital/VitalStats_t13.pdf) All your link really shows is that Republican advocacy groups are more effective than the party, while the Democrats are vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/44 "2013-08-05T04:38:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Outside spending was more, but Democrats easily outspent Republicans in 2010 overall: > > [http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/vital/VitalStats\_t13.pdf](http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/vital/VitalStats_t13.pdf) > > All your link really shows is that Republican advocacy groups are more effective than the party, while the Democrats are vice versa. You should stop digging. It seems you did not look at what the totals are and I was talking also about 2012. Your link actually shows that the totals favored Republicans in the last elections, only in 2010 Democrats got more, but it was very close to what the Republicans got also. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/45 "2013-08-06T14:39:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I don’t think the government is corrupt under Obama, but he has zero interest in making sure any of it actually works, which has allowed incompetence to thrive at unheard of levels in nearly every department. Despite what many say here, that is actually part of his job and something he has to be held accountable for. Heckuva job, **Addy**. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/46 "2013-08-06T15:20:05Z")
Poor guy keeps getting the party names mixed up. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/47 "2013-08-06T19:25:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Poor guy keeps getting the party names mixed up. Given **adaher** ’s recent description of Clinton as the last gov-turned-POTUS, I think the fault lies with the people who woke him from his eight-year coma for being remiss at filling him in on 2001-09 events. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/48 "2013-08-06T19:27:40Z")
That was not my description. My argument was that Clinton was the last person to manage the government effectively. The government has been allowed to run without supervision or accountability for the last 12 years. And the unwillingness of people to actually hold elected officials responsible only encourages lawlessness on the part of the permanent bureaucracy. ---
**Author:** ![Enlightening\_Meditation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecc23a/32.png) [@Enlightening\_Meditation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enlightening_Meditation)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/49 "2013-08-07T03:12:47Z")
I predict that Gov. Chris Christie will be the GOP nominee for POTUS in '16 if he chooses to run. He’s the clear favorite of the DC GOP establishment, the wealthy donor class, and the Cheney wing of the party. The same ilk tried to convince him to run in the previous election. Christie would lose in the southeastern primaries, but that didn’t stop Romney’s nomination in '12. He may need to resign as governor around late 2014 in order to raise money without violating laws in NJ. * * * Scott Walker would be my guess if Christie doesn’t run. Paul Ryan has a real chance at nomination. Jindal and Portman will more likely be in the running for VP rather than POTUS. I have doubts about Rubio’s eligibility. I don’t think his association with the Senate immigration reform bill is a deal breaker, but would hurt his favorability in some state primaries. Rubio is the favorite among British bookie sites for GOP nominee, which surprises me. I hope that Gingrich runs again just for the entertainment factor. Rick Perry might run again, but has no chance IMO even without the back pain medication. I don’t think Jeb Bush will be a candidate, but I cannot rule him out. Rand Paul definitely gives the impression that he will run for POTUS, but he’ll have long odds for nomination. Ted Cruz has gone through the motions of future POTUS candidate with speaking engagements in early primary states. He was born in Canada to mother who was a lifelong US Citizen. A quick internet search suggests that he’s likely eligible for the job. He would need monopoly on the Tea Party faction in order to have a decent chance. The same challenge applies to Santorum, Perry, Paul, and any relatively unknown businessman newcomer to politics in the vein of Herman Cain. Too many Tea folk hung around for too long to avoid splitting the TP vote in 2012 . Will Trump run? Holy meekrob, that would be hilarious. Bob McDonnell should have no chance at all after his bribe related scandals in VA, but I’m not sure that’ll stop him from trying. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/50 "2013-08-07T09:51:01Z")
> [@Enlightening\_Meditation](#): > > I have doubts about Rubio’s eligibility. I’ll bite. Why? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/51 "2013-08-07T12:48:10Z")
Maybe because Alberta wasn’t a state yet when he was born? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/52 "2013-08-07T16:17:56Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ll bite. Why? Not to speak for EM, but the deal is that Rubio, born in Miami, is the child of two people who were not citizens at the time of his birth. They didn’t attain citizenship until Marco was four. FYI, personally, I think it’s a silly argument. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/53 "2013-08-07T16:40:18Z")
Holy crap! Rubio is an anchor baby??? Really, don’t put any money on Rubio unless Pete Rose is offering you very good odds. I just don’t see the GOP nominating an ethnic until they hit bottom and change their wicked ways. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/54 "2013-08-07T16:43:25Z")
Rubio’s white, or at least he will be if the media ever needs him to be. LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/55 "2013-08-07T16:53:24Z")
All we have to do is ask Rubio if he would extend the “wet foot/dry foot” policy that his parents immigrated under to other new arrivals. It’s easy to be for tough border policies when your own family came here through a loophole. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/56 "2013-08-07T17:06:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Maybe because Alberta wasn’t a state yet when he was born? 😉 Thinking of Cruz, sorry. Got my zealots mixed up there. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/57 "2013-08-07T17:08:31Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Not to speak for EM, but the deal is that Rubio, born in Miami, is the child of two people who were not citizens at the time of his birth. They didn’t attain citizenship until Marco was four. > > FYI, personally, I think it’s a silly argument. It is silly, but “unfortunately” (Once again, good for the democrats) the birther component of the tea party has to make a deal of it or they will look stupid for what they did before with Obama, not that it would make them look less stupid for all others, but they have a dumb peanut gallery to cater for. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/58 "2013-08-07T18:06:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is silly, but “unfortunately” (Once again, good for the democrats) the birther component of the tea party has to make a deal of it or they will look stupid for what they did before with Obama, not that it would make them look less stupid for all others, but they have a dumb peanut gallery to cater for. And we all know how concerned Tea Partiers are about being perceived as stupid! ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/59 "2013-08-07T18:55:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is silly, but “unfortunately” (Once again, good for the democrats) the birther component of the tea party has to make a deal of it or they will look stupid for what they did before with Obama, not that it would make them look less stupid for all others, but they have a dumb peanut gallery to cater for. I thought most of the birthers claimed that Obama was really born in Kenya. Being born in the USA makes you a citizen by birth, according to the Constitution; how much more “natural born” can you be? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273/60 "2013-08-07T19:20:57Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > I thought most of the birthers claimed that Obama was really born in Kenya. Being born in the USA makes you a citizen by birth, according to the Constitution; how much more “natural born” can you be? There are those that argue that Obama isn’t a citizen because he was born in Kenya. There are others that say that it wouldn’t matter if he was born on the Capitol steps on the 4th of July with a Marine band playing, he isn’t a citizen because his father wasn’t a citizen. Both sides are grasping for straws and in denial of the facts or the law or both. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-the-republican-nominee-be/665273.md?page=4)