# Who will win the Game of Thrones \[NO SPOILERS - See Sticky\]​ **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 25, 2014, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227 "2014-05-25T06:03:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/41 "2014-05-26T19:59:03Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Dark Horse? Sansa Stark. Just a gut feeling that everyone who actually makes choices is doomed to die and she never makes any decisions. Plus her husband Tyrion is Tywin’s heir and she will be the last Stark (Bran and Rickon are destined to get offed sometime and God only knows about Anya’s future). Her future is to continue to warble nonsensical tone music with her twin Enya. Arya is going to be a tiny one-man wrecking crew, slitting the throats of people she thinks did shitty things. She will kill end up killing every man, woman and child in Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/42 "2014-05-26T20:46:58Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > George R.R. Martin I think he’s about as likely to live out the series as his characters. Meanwhile, I’m firmly on Team Hodor. Or, as Hodor himself would say: Hodor hodor hodor. Hodor hodor. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/43 "2014-05-27T02:14:56Z")
I’m still on Team Zombie. Then again, maybe the people of Westeros can find a way to defeat the Walkers with massive global warming. How about the people win in the long run with at least the beginnings of a parliamentary democracy? Perhaps with whoever the winner is beginning to act like Edward I? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/44 "2014-05-27T04:11:45Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > I think you’ve missed the point of the Game of Thrones…there is no winner. > > How do you win a game that never ends, has no rules, and allows new players to join endlessly? Eventually the series has to end. Some sort of conclusion will likely be drawn, assuming Martin gets around to it before he dies. > [@asterion](#): > > How about the people win in the long run with at least the beginnings of a parliamentary democracy? Perhaps with whoever the winner is beginning to act like Edward I? Robespierre wins! briefly. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/45 "2014-05-27T04:48:14Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I see a number of people sitting on the throne, and ending badly. My list : > > 1)Tommen “Baratheon” (current) > 2)Myrcella “Baratheon” > 3)Stannis Baratheon I believe that Stannis is ahead of Myrcella in the line of succession. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/46 "2014-05-27T04:58:52Z")
Having just watched the scene in which Brienne of Tarth kills orf three guys for rumbling that she is transporting the Kingslayer and for killing the woman for consorting with Lannisters, I’ve got to say, I wish she would win. In fact, if I could pick, I’d have Brienne of Tarth and Tyrion, as they’re my favorite characters on the damn show, and they’d be hilarious together; and by that I mean not their mismatched physiques, but their personalities. Maybe they could adopt Arya. Still gonna be Jon-boy though. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/47 "2014-05-27T05:18:26Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I believe that Stannis is ahead of Myrcella in the line of succession. I think the ASOIAF universe is like male preference law (except Dorne) ([wiki](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Laws_and_Customs#Inheritance_and_Age_of_Majority)), and thus females inherit if there are no males in the current male _line_. Thus it would go (assuming nobody had died): Robert\>Joffrey\>Tommen\>Mycella\>Stannis\>Shireen\>Renly\>not sure, some Baratheon we don’t know about. See also the [UK line of succession](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne), which will change to non-gendered, but I think this list is pre-change. Andrew and Edward are ahead of Anne, despite her being second born. But Andrew’s daughters (he has no sons) are ahead of Edward. If you had generations of one surviving son, the family’s fortune would otherwise be taken by some distant cousin if females couldn’t inherit. So Mycella is next in line, and her sons after, but her betrothed (husband?) doesn’t take over inheritance. > [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Having just watched the scene in which Brienne of Tarth kills orf three guys for rumbling that she is transporting the Kingslayer and for killing the woman for consorting with Lannisters, I’ve got to say, I wish she would win. > > In fact, if I could pick, I’d have Brienne of Tarth and Tyrion, as they’re my favorite characters on the damn show, and they’d be hilarious together; and by that I mean not their mismatched physiques, but their personalities. Maybe they could adopt Arya. > > Still gonna be Jon-boy though. She is a natural follower, not much of a leader thus far. Not even comfortable with a squire. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/48 "2014-05-27T12:46:19Z")
I thought that after the Dance of Dragons that females were relegated to the end of the line? If that’s only for Targaryens, then why does Stannis tell Renly that Renly would be his heir once Stannis takes the throne? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/49 "2014-05-27T18:01:01Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > If that’s only for Targaryens, then why does Stannis tell Renly that Renly would be his heir once Stannis takes the throne? Maybe offering it as a bribe. “If I have no sons, you will inherit.” There is precedence for that sort of deal to be made, since kings in some places/times typically have at least a little leeway on deciding succession. Especially as Shireen is disfigured, which could be considered a bit of a double-disqualification. It’d still be an uncertain thing though, as a live Shireen could act as a lightning rod for disaffected factions to glom onto. Kind of like the mess after Richard I died, when you had certain segments of the Angevin “empire” preferring the son of the elder son ( Arthur of Brittany, son of the dead Geoffrey ) to the younger son ( Arthur’s uncle John, the eventual victor ). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/50 "2014-05-27T21:56:19Z")
I’ve never read the books _or_ seen the show, but just on general principles, I can’t see any way that the Game _can_ end. Any time someone takes the throne, someone else is just going to immediately start trying to wrest it away from them, and eventually one of them succeeds. Lather, rinse, repeat. Unless of course it does end with nobody on the throne or able to take it. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/51 "2014-05-27T22:03:49Z")
The Throne will be destroyed and some sort of other system will be put in place with the help of companies from the East. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/52 "2014-05-28T09:53:17Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I believe that Stannis is ahead of Myrcella in the line of succession. Maybe, but it is mostly irrelevant in the show universe. If Stannis can take over, he will. > [@TruCelt](#): > > I missed that bit. What?!? Whose vision? Daenarys has a vision of a throne room in ruins, covered in snow, when she enters the house of the undying (season 2). Bran had the same vision when he touched the Barral tree a couple episodes ago. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/53 "2014-05-28T13:54:43Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Eventually the series has to end. Some sort of conclusion will likely be drawn, assuming Martin gets around to it before he dies. > briefly. Yes, but the OP asked “Who will win the Game of Thrones?” , not “Who will sit on the Iron Throne of Westeros at the end of the series?” Martin has an outline of how he intends the plot to evolve and resolve itself and has discussed his intentions and major plot points to close confidants, including the HBO TV series producers, in the event he is unable to write them himself. For the Unsullied, Martin originally intended the series as a trilogy, then a series of 5, now he hope to wrap things up with numbers 6 and 7 which may be up to 1500 word each! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/54 "2014-05-28T15:37:33Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > For the Unsullied, Martin originally intended the series as a trilogy, then a series of 5, now he hope to wrap things up with numbers 6 and 7 which may be up to 1500 word each! I think he’ll need more than 3000 words to wrap it all up… ---
**Author:** ![tonyfop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@tonyfop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tonyfop)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/55 "2014-05-28T16:08:22Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > Yes, but the OP asked “Who will win the Game of Thrones?” , not “Who will sit on the Iron Throne of Westeros at the end of the series?” > > Martin has an outline of how he intends the plot to evolve and resolve itself and has discussed his intentions and major plot points to close confidants, including the HBO TV series producers, in the event he is unable to write them himself. > > For the Unsullied, Martin originally intended the series as a trilogy, then a series of 5, now he hope to wrap things up with numbers 6 and 7 which may be up to 1500 word each! Yeah, I think you mean 150,000 words each. 😉 I would love to see it be Tyrion and Sansa ruling a peaceful kingdom, but good luck for that… Too many people have predicted it to be Dany + Jon, although that is logical. I will say Dany + Bran (eewwwwwwww). Because Dany will need Bran’s help to control the dragons, with Jon as hand. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/56 "2014-05-28T16:20:24Z")
> [@tonyfop](#): > > Yeah, I think you mean 150,000 words each. 😉 Actually, I think he/she means 1500 _pages_. 150K words is only a little longer than average for a novel. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/57 "2014-05-28T20:59:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Actually, I think he/she means 1500 _pages_. 150K words is only a little longer than average for a novel. :smack: Yes I meant pages. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2014, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227/58 "2014-05-29T01:10:24Z")
I hope Dany ends up in control. But I could live with Littlefinger manipulating Sansa (though I actually think she’ll die by the endc). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-will-win-the-game-of-thrones-no-spoilers-see-sticky/689227.md?page=2)