# Who wins in 2024? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 6, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481 "2022-11-06T21:17:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/182 "2023-10-08T20:34:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > A cite for Palestinians using American weapons? Yeah, American style weapons are nearly as ubiquitous as Russian style weapons. But seeing terrorists waving AK47 clones doesnt indicate direct Russian weapon support. For example, the M16/M4 is made in Korea by Daewoo, by FN in Belgium, and by several other US companies besides Colt. And nation with the cash can buy them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/183 "2023-10-08T20:34:44Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I never said how many protestors there are. You said “massive” in one post. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/184 "2023-10-08T20:40:22Z")
Thanks for that cite Sam. I read the whole thing. Whew, Reuters online sucks, so I admit I may have missed it, but I saw nothing about corrupt Ukraine or Afghanistan. Can you please provide a cite for those claims? That’s really what I was after. Sorry I wasn’t more clear. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/185 "2023-10-08T20:48:38Z")
Here you go: > **[Demonstrations held across Canada Saturday amid escalating Middle East...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/demonstrations-canada-israel-palestinian-conflict-1.6028550)** > > Demonstrations were held across Canada on Saturday amid escalating violence in the Middle East, with pro-Palestinian supporters gathering in cities from coast to coast and a pro-Israel virtual event planned for Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/186 "2023-10-08T20:57:02Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Thanks for that cite Sam. I read the whole thing. Whew, Reuters online sucks, so I admit I may have missed it, but I saw nothing about corrupt Ukraine or Afghanistan. Not really a cite at all. The M16/m4 is made and sold internationally, just like the AK47. They can simply be purchased. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/187 "2023-10-08T20:58:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I never said how many protestors there are. Look you clearly tried to sell us it was 50,000. If no one called on it you’d have let slide. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/188 "2023-10-08T21:06:50Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Here in Canada we have about 50,000 Palestinian refugees (plus unknown numbers of undocumented migrants), who are now marching in our streets shouting death to Israel. Quote for He Who Will Not Read His Cites. For clarity’s sake, get rid of the parenthetical statement. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/189 "2023-10-08T21:06:56Z")
I did not say that. I already said that I worded that post poorly and clarified, which you ignored. I did not intend to suggest that 50,000 Palestinians were protesting. We have 50,000 Palestinian refugees, and SOME of them are protesting. I linked to an article quoting one of the Palestinians who was protesting, after I was asked for another cite to prove that any Palestinians were involved. Also, this is a hijack from the main thread. If you want to keep attacking me, take it to the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/190 "2023-10-08T21:44:19Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Do you need a cite for what the word ‘some’ means? I need a cite please for ANY protests currently taking place. ANY. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/191 "2023-10-08T21:53:51Z")
You might want to look up a few messages, where I posted exactly that. Also: > **[Palestinian-Americans hold rally in Chicago](https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/palestinian-americans-hold-rally-in-chicago-194697797663)** > > NBC News' Maggie Vespa reports from Chicago where Palestinian-Americans are holding a rally and marching down the streets of the city as the world reacts to the Hamas attack on Israel. > **[NYC pro-Palestine rally splits Democrats over Israel](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/nyc-palestine-rally-democrats-israel-00120533)** > > Gov. Kathy Hochul and other leading Democrats blasted the rally as “abhorrent and morally repugnant.” > **[Israeli and Palestinian supporters rally across U.S. as Israel declares war...](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-demonstrations-d5f00f49f9b967c3148a39c8b7ffec08)** > > Supporters of Israel and backers of the Palestinian cause rallied in many American cities Sunday over the conflict that has killed hundreds and wounded thousands in the Middle East. > **[Hundreds fill Times Square for rival protests over violence in Israel](https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/10/08/pro-palestine-rally-in-times-square/)** > > Violence in the Middle East reverberated Sunday in Times Square, where pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli protesters came face to face during heated demonstrations. > **[Pro-Palestinian rally met by Israel supporters in Midtown as Hochul slams...](https://nypost.com/2023/10/08/nyc-pro-palestinian-rally-slammed-as-abhorrent-as-hamas-attacks-israel/)** > > New York City Democratic Socialists of America are holding a pro-Palestinian rally in Times Square following an attack on Israel by Islamist extremists — with Gov. Kathy Hochul calling it … > **[WARMINGTON: Some in Toronto celebrating mass murder of Israelis as death toll...](https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-some-in-toronto-celebrating-mass-murder-of-israelis-as-death-toll-mounts)** > > First Canada saw cheering for a Nazi-related Waffen SS soldier, now there's jubilation in Toronto over the mass slaughter of Israelis. > **[Pro-Palestinian Protesters Take to the Streets of Western Cities, Including...](https://www.nysun.com/article/pro-palestinian-protesters-take-to-the-streets-of-western-cities-including-new-york-celebrating-the-massacre-of-hundreds-of-israelis)** > > Another rally is planned for Monday outside what its organizers described as the 'Zionist Embassy' in Manhattan, the home of the Israeli embassy to the… First page of a Google search for ‘Palestinian Protests’. Not hard to find. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/192 "2023-10-08T21:54:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Quote for He Who Will Not Read His Cites. Take this personal crap to the pit. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/193 "2023-10-08T22:24:50Z")
Yes, I knew that, but I was trying to be courteous. I guess the stuff about weapons coming from Ukraine and Afghanistan isn’t going to be cited. Or I should say, cited either. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/194 "2023-10-08T22:47:07Z")
htt ps://www.ne [wsweek.com/israel-](http://wsweek.com/israel-) worries-us-weapons-ukrain e-are-ending -irans-hands -18 06131 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/195 "2023-10-08T22:53:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Quote for He Who Will Not Read His Cites. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Take this personal crap to the pit. First, same note for both of you. Attack the post and not the poster. Then for @Sam_Stone; that is junior modding. Do not Junior Mod. Flag the post and stay out of trouble please. Geez, also no blank links please, especially when they don’t relate to the thread directly. Explain why you’re linking to something. I broke the bare link. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/196 "2023-10-08T22:54:54Z")
No problem, wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481/197 "2023-10-08T22:55:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > htt ps://www.ne [wsweek.com/israel-](http://wsweek.com/israel-) worries-us-weapons-ukrain e-are-ending -irans-hands -18 06131 There is really nothing to be done about things like that. If you’re going to supply high-tech weapons to combatants in the midst of a war, some will be captured and some will be diverted by the unscrupulous and corrupt. You work with security and intelligence agencies to minimize it, but it cannot be 100% prevented. C’est la vie. Supplying arms to Ukraine during an existential struggle for survival supersedes any concerns about captured arms being reverse-engineered or put to evil use. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-wins-in-2024/974481.md?page=9)