# Who ya gonna call? \[Is there any proof of ghosts, demons, or evil spirits?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 5, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119 "2013-11-05T03:02:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/301 "2013-11-13T20:29:16Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > The real evidence of separation of mind and body is the placebo effect. Mind over matter. Also the reverse of it when people die after being cursed and believing it. In both cases the mind causes the body to change. If there were nothing but body and brain this would not happen. The brain does not contain not have a mind of it own. NDEs show that the mind can live without the brain or body. There is absolutely no solid evidence for NDEs showing any such thing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/302 "2013-11-13T20:30:50Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > If you would like evidence of the research on NDEs by Phds, and Doctors of Medicine you can read about it here. > > [Near Death Experiences, Real Glimpses of Afterlife - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](http://aleroy.com/blog/archives/3370) > > I post this all the skeptics do is say not without reading and without evidence. Maybe you will do better. > > Can you explain how a blind from birth person can see when out of body. No more anecdotes and unverified pablum, please. If it never happened, we have absolutely nothing to explain…and it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/303 "2013-11-13T20:31:35Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > The real evidence of separation of mind and body is the placebo effect. Mind over matter. Also the reverse of it when people die after being cursed and believing it. In both cases the mind causes the body to change. If there were nothing but body and brain this would not happen. The brain does not contain not have a mind of it own. NDEs show that the mind can live without the brain or body. Your brain does have a mind of its own: your mind, which is solely the product of physical tissues and processes. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/304 "2013-11-13T20:47:41Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Your brain does have a mind of its own: your mind, which is solely the product of physical tissues and processes. Well here is an article you may find interesting. > **[The Magic Brain - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](https://aleroy.com/blog/archives/298)** > > The brain has been studied by researchers for over 100 years looking for consciousness. I know I am conscious, aware of myself, and my surroundings. I believe my consciousness would need ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/305 "2013-11-13T20:54:23Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Well here is an article you may find interesting. > > [The Magic Brain - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](http://aleroy.com/blog/archives/298) To save everyone some time, what he is linking to is an essay written by himself that is factless and off-topic to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/306 "2013-11-13T20:55:49Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Well here is an article you may find interesting. > > [The Magic Brain - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](http://aleroy.com/blog/archives/298) How about some evidence concerning the OP we might find interesting? Tired of your fanciful stories. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/307 "2013-11-13T21:02:00Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I do produce a lot of evidence but it is summarily dismissed without reading or even looking at it. . . . You make claims. You make arrant claims. But you do not produce evidence. And a tv show wouldn’t count in any case. Don’t you imagine someone could fake a seance on a tv show? Are you in any conceivable way serious here? I want real evidence: someone producing information that cannot be known to anyone other than one living person and one dead person. The Harry Houdini challenge. If this could be done, even once, it would change the world. But no one has ever succeeded in this in any meaningful way. Ghosts of the dear departed only utter platitudes, but never say anything concrete, like, “The password to my secret Swiss bank account is…” We’ve seen this thousands of times already. Someone claims to channel the ghost of Queen Christina of Sweden…and yet the ghost can’t speak Swedish. Not very impressive. You’ve got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119/308 "2013-11-13T23:02:15Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > If you would like evidence of the research on NDEs by Phds, and Doctors of Medicine you can read about it here. > > [Near Death Experiences, Real Glimpses of Afterlife - Lekatt Thoughtful Living](http://aleroy.com/blog/archives/3370) The link to your blog is not a link to a scientific study, it is nothing more than your opinion on a web page. You have been told to to refrain from linking to your blog in place of presenting evidence for your beliefs. This is a Warning that that rule has not been lifted. You are free to post your own beliefs in your posts, but linking to them as though they provided anything more than your personal ideas is not acceptable. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-ya-gonna-call-is-there-any-proof-of-ghosts-demons-or-evil-spirits/673119.md?page=15)