Who ya gonna call? [Is there any proof of ghosts, demons, or evil spirits?]

I mean, as you damn well know, that since you made the initial fantastic claim, it is up to you to provide evidence for your claim.

Neither-it is a fact. You tell me, right here and now, how he could possibly prove to you that no such magic exists anywhere on Earth? Even if he were to debunk every single case you could come up with, all you would have to say to cop out is “What about all those cases that people haven’t come forth with, huh?” It is the job of the person making the fantastic claim to provide evidence for that claim, always.

In every single thread I’ve ever seen where a person has been asked to provide evidence for their fantastic claim, two things always pop up:

  1. The claimant moves the goalposts and changes the word “evidence” to the word “proof” to make it sound as if the opposing side is being unreasonable.
  2. The claimant asks the cop-out question, “Can you prove it can’t and/or didn’t happen?”
    Now that you’ve tried both tactics and failed, let’s get back on track.

Since you made the initial fantastic claim, can you provide any evidence at all to back up your fantastic claim?

The story goes this picture was taken to document the wreck, but it contained something unexpected.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://innatus-spiritus.webs.com/photos/Others-Photos/car%2520crash%2520ghost%2520pictures.jpg&imgrefurl=http://innatus-spiritus.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid%3D76416794&h=628&w=992&sz=79&tbnid=2rI1zrVJcfgqzM:&tbnh=120&tbnw=190&zoom=1&usg=__LMbJSB4gDe8rbClUbd4_ZQBnW48=&docid=Z5qyIPuJ1Cf7FM&sa=X&ei=P0p6UsHxItTukQfDoIDwCw&ved=0CDAQ9QEwAA

Go start storytime over in MPSIMS, please. You have presented no evidence here that can be checked out.

Where was this picture taken, when was it taken, and who took it? Did anybody analyze it to see if it was Photoshopped? In what way is this evidence of anything?

When I posted this photo I never thought for a moment it would be taken as evidence. Nor would anything else be accepted as evidence. I can’t even imagine what form evidence would take. So do with it what you will as usual.

Then why the fuck did you present it here after being asked to provide evidence?

It would be evidence to many people in a different setting or environment, just not here.

In what possible way could it be considered evidence of anything, since you provided no information about the background of the photograph?

I refer you to post #55.

I did provide information, the rest is self-evident. One picture is worth…

…crap, as usual. Answer the question: In what way is that photo evidence for what is being proposed by the OP?

Sounds OK to me.

Some background on that photo. The people at ghoststudy.com think it’s a ghost, but they have enough integrity to admit they can’t rule out things like reflections and glare.

When asked for evidence, why did you post the link to that unattributed and unexplained photo, lekatt?

It is a photo of a ghost – therefor ghosts exist.

Close enough, they can’t say it isn’t a ghost either. I believe it is unlikely caused by reflections or glare because the form is sharp. I take a lot of photos and know about those things.

So it might be better to establish where a ghost comes from or what causes them to be around us.

From your link:

When pictures are taken from all angles, but the image only appears in one shot, what does that suggest to a rational person? Also, your imagination has to be in overdrive if you think that the two side appendages of the image look anything like the wings of an angel or guardian. Considering the large illuminated area at the bottom of the image, I have an alternate suggestion: The is the ghost of a Mafia victim who had his feet encased in cement and was tossed in a nearby river. He haunts the highways looking for the people that killed him. At least my made-up story matches the image better than the one about the angel. :rolleyes:

If you think that image is “sharp”, then you need to get yourself a new box camera.

No, ghoststudy.com did not say it’s not a ghost.

The whole thing is hazy and kind of see-through, especially around the edges. But sure, somehow that means ‘sharp.’

That entire discussion is a waste of time without good evidence. Even considering your views on the subject, “that’s a photo of a ghost, therefore ghosts exist” is laughable. If you know lots and lots about photos you should know how easy it is to get a photo that’s either distorted or faked.

It’s obviously the ghost of someone who died wearing a Charlie Brown ghost costume. Splitter.

Even sharper image of flying saucers, therefore flying saucers exist.