# Whoa Whoa...Wolverine is a girl? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597 "2012-06-28T16:22:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BunnyTVS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BunnyTVS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BunnyTVS)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/21 "2012-06-29T00:06:50Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Yeah X-23. > > I learned of her through one of the X-men cartoon shows where she and Wolvy fought and another time she ran away from the orginization that made her and she came to Wolvy for help. Also wasn’t she in the Wolverine movie? I think that was her. IIRC her first appearance was in the X-Men Evolutions cartoon, before being brought into the comics themselves. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/22 "2012-06-29T00:41:42Z")
**X-23** isn’t anywhere near as cool a name as **Wolverine**. ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/23 "2012-06-29T02:03:43Z")
> [@Gozu\_Tashoya](#): > > OOC, if one were interested in catching up, does one just get the X-23 TPBs volumes 1, 2, and 3 in order and call it a day? Or do the other TPBs (e.g., Innocence Lost, the thing with Daken – who I have only a passing familiarity with – go in between somewhere)? The order goes like this: 1. Innocence Lost - collects the first miniseries with her origins and NYX… which is a kind of hard to describe miniseries about homeless teenage mutants (of which X-23 is one) 2. Target X - collects the second mini which goes into her background a little more 3. X-23 vol. 1 - ongoing series 1-6 4. X-23/Daken - ongoing series 7-9, crossover with Daken 5. X-23 vol. 2 - ongoing series 10-16 6. X-23 vol. 3 - ongoing series 17-21 Probably only the first two are “must reads”. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/24 "2012-06-29T02:37:36Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > **X-23** isn’t anywhere near as cool a name as **Wolverine**. She should _totally_ be named Honey Badger. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/25 "2012-06-29T09:36:26Z")
Not to be confused with Wolverina… [http://marvel.wikia.com/Logana\_(Earth-89923)](http://marvel.wikia.com/Logana_(Earth-89923)) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/26 "2012-06-29T09:52:56Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > She should _totally_ be named Honey Badger. Well that’s way better than my suggestion of Capybara. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/27 "2012-06-29T09:54:01Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Not to be confused with Wolverina… > > [http://marvel.wikia.com/Logana\_(Earth-89923)](http://marvel.wikia.com/Logana_(Earth-89923)) Or any of [these ones](http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/2/24/Exiles_Vol_1_86.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/28 "2012-06-29T11:41:03Z")
> [@cckerberos](#): > > In response to your edit: > > X-23 is actually surprisingly awesome. Her solo minis and series are well worth the read. Agreed. And she’s a nice addition to Avengers Academy. On the other hand, there’s Dioken/Diaken/whatever his name is, the whiney-little-emo son of Wolverine. Worst. Character. Ever. And when I say “Worst character ever”, I’m including including characters like the robot Captain Marvel who can shoot parts of his body at people, Howard the Duck’s version of The Punisher (a guy with who likes to paddle/spank people) and Legion rejects like Infectious Lass or Plaid Lad, or even more obscure characters like Hate Face (who only appeared as a dead body on the Shanghalla asteroid. A _corpse_ is a better character.\* _No, really, he is. Daikon? “Whaah! I got daddy issues so I’m either sad ☹ or mad :mad:” Hate Face? “HATE FACE: The face of a Devil, the Soul of an Angel. He rescued millions, Yet none could bear his revolting visage. Some say he died in battle. Others say it was his broken heart that killed him!”_\* Ok, it’s not say, Watchmen, but it’s still better then “Whaaah. Daddy didn’t give me enough hugs!” \*\*[I’m not making this up](http://www.againwiththecomics.com/2010/02/legend-of-hate-face.html) ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/29 "2012-06-29T13:33:00Z")
[Daken](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daken). I stopped reading before he came along. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/30 "2012-06-29T17:25:56Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Is it weird that I find her totally hot? I’m not the only one who did a Google image search for x-23 cosplay, am I? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/31 "2012-06-29T17:35:17Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > I’m not the only one who did a Google image search for x-23 cosplay, am I? Not anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/32 "2012-06-29T18:22:32Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > She should _totally_ be named Honey Badger. They tried really hard to get people to call her “Talon”… never caught on with the characters or the fans. > [@Wolverine](#): > > [Daken](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daken). I stopped reading before he came along. I actually like Daken a lot as a character. He’s openly bi-sexual with a really fun “friendship” with The Human Torch. I don’t know if they meant to do this but he’s got a very Hannibal Lecter style to him (subtract cannibalism, add overt sexuality). I’d be fine with them continuing on a redemption path for him, but they still need to keep the irrational hate for his father–like Daken won’t kill an innocent person unless doing so would eff with his dad. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/33 "2012-06-29T19:02:49Z")
So what happened to X’s 1 through 22? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/34 "2012-06-29T19:37:25Z")
> [@](#): > > So what happened to X’s 1 through 22? One of them was Wolverine himself, I’m pretty sure. They’re not all adamantium-claw-fast-healing types-- They’re pretty much whatever mutants and other metahumans the Canadian government was able to get their hands on and experiment with. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/35 "2012-06-29T19:46:46Z")
Yeah, her name comes from being in the Weapon X program. Originally, Wolverine was _the_ Weapon X - as in the letter - but it was later retconned to be X as in 10, the roman numeral. It’s all a bit muddled since “Weapon X” was also a whole program who included other people like Sabretooth, Deadpool, Silver Fox, Sauron, etc. But Grant Morrison later retconned it to be “Weapon Plus” which kept coming up with new Weapons before and after Wolverine. But as for a list of the “known” Weapons, it’s currently: - Weapon I: Captain America - Weapon III: the Skinless Man (currently a villain in Uncanny X-Force) - Weapon X: Wolverine - Weapon XII: Huntsman (revealed and killed during Grant Morrison’s run) - Weapon XIII: Fantomex (created by Morrison, currently starring in Uncanny X-Force) - Weapon XIV: the Stepford Cuckoos (created by Morrison, hanging around Utopia) - Weapon XV: Ultimaton (last seen guarding a clone Apocalypse for Fantomex) > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I actually like Daken a lot as a character. He’s openly bi-sexual with a really fun “friendship” with The Human Torch. I don’t know if they meant to do this but he’s got a very Hannibal Lecter style to him (subtract cannibalism, add overt sexuality). I’d be fine with them continuing on a redemption path for him, but they still need to keep the irrational hate for his father–like Daken won’t kill an innocent person unless doing so would eff with his dad. Well, Daken’s dead now, so… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/36 "2012-06-29T19:55:22Z")
I don’t think that’s right. I think X-23 was completely separate from the Weapon Plus program. IIRC–She was the 23rd embryo built up from Wolverine’s DNA. > [@magnusblitz](#): > > Well, Daken’s dead now, so… …this is comics? He’ll be back. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/37 "2012-06-29T20:00:50Z")
It’s actually Weapons 0 thru 22 who came before her - she was created as part of Weapon Plus, not Weapon X. The X-23 designation is presumably just to connect her to Daddy Logan. Known Weapons ([List from Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weapon_X_members#Weapons_as_Part_of_Weapon_Plus_Program)): Weapon I - Captain America Weapon VII - Nuke Weapon X - Wolverine Weapon XII - The Huntsman Weapon XIII - Fantomex Weapon XIV - the Stepford Cuckoos Weapon XV - Ultimaton Weapon XVI - Allgod Weapon XXIII - X-23 (My X-Men reading is spotty, and I’d never heard of Huntsman, Ultimaton, or Allgod before.) (The Weapon Plus program was originally international, and Weapon X eventually spun off into its own agency, which eventually got sucked into the Canadian government. It’s…confusing.) ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/38 "2012-06-29T20:00:57Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > …this is comics? He’ll be back. Popular characters come back. Daken was very much not a popular character. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/39 "2012-06-29T20:07:08Z")
From wikipedia- > [@](#): > > A top-secret program is tasked to replicate the original Weapon X experiment that bonded adamantium to the skeleton of Wolverine. The project is taken in a new direction: Doctor Martin Sutter recruits renowned mutant geneticist Doctor Sarah Kinney to develop a clone of Wolverine. > Since the only genetic sample from Weapon X is damaged, Kinney is unable to salvage the Y chromosome. Kinney proposes the creation of a female genetic twin; her request is denied. Sutter’s protégé Doctor Zander Rice, whom he has raised after Rice’s father was killed by the original Weapon X, is opposed to the idea. After 22 failed attempts at reconstituting the DNA using a duplicate X chromosome, the 23rd sample yields a viable sample to combine with an embryo. Although Kinney is allowed to proceed, Rice exacts revenge for her insubordination by forcing her to act as the surrogate mother of the specimen. For nine months, Kinney’s every move is monitored; finally, she gives birth to “X-23”.[2] ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597/40 "2012-06-29T20:13:00Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > She should _totally_ be named Honey Badger. That would be the best comic character ever. I am so on-side with this. > [@Fenris](#): > > Agreed. And she’s a nice addition to Avengers Academy. > > On the other hand, there’s Dioken/Diaken/whatever his name is, the whiney-little-emo son of Wolverine. Worst. Character. Ever. > > And when I say “Worst character ever”, I’m including including characters like the robot Captain Marvel who can shoot parts of his body at people, Howard the Duck’s version of The Punisher (a guy with who likes to paddle/spank people) and Legion rejects like Infectious Lass or Plaid Lad, or even more obscure characters like Hate Face (who only appeared as a dead body on the Shanghalla asteroid. A _corpse_ is a better character.\* > > _No, really, he is. Daikon? “Whaah! I got daddy issues so I’m either sad ☹ or mad :mad:” Hate Face? "HATE FACE: The face of a Devil, the Soul of an Angel. He rescued millions, Yet none could bear his revolting visage. Some say he died in battle. Others say it was his broken heart that killed him!"_\* Ok, it’s not say, Watchmen, but it’s still better then “Whaaah. Daddy didn’t give me enough hugs!” > > \*\*[I’m not making this up](http://www.againwiththecomics.com/2010/02/legend-of-hate-face.html) (italics added) All we know is that Wolverine’s son is…The Stig. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whoa-whoa-wolverine-is-a-girl/626597.md?page=3)