# Whom does God hate more: Miles O'Brien of STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, or Andy Sipowicz of NYPD BLUE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 5, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877 "2014-08-05T16:24:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/41 "2014-08-05T19:14:06Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Okay, but it will be a BLUE BLOODS model rather than a MAGNUM P.I. model. The latter are all occupied with – well, never mind. Confidentiality. Do you still send out the “Lance White” virgin model if no preference is given? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/42 "2014-08-05T19:47:24Z")
How about when Keiko was possessed by a Bajoran _pah-wraith_? That had to be traumatic for Miles. And not only that, she slept with Max Klinger! ---
**Author:** ![jayrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jayrey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayrey)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/43 "2014-08-05T20:33:02Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Okay, but it will be a BLUE BLOODS model rather than a MAGNUM P.I. model. The latter are all occupied with – well, never mind. Confidentiality. As a woman of, ehem, “mature” years, the Blue Bloods model will do just fine. The idea of a handsome man making me a perfect dirty martini, rubbing my back, giving me a pedicure, killing my enemies, and not expecting sex in return sounds like Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/44 "2014-08-05T20:54:03Z")
> [@jayrey](#): > > As a woman of, ehem, “mature” years, the Blue Bloods model will do just fine. The idea of a handsome man making me a perfect dirty martini, rubbing my back, giving me a pedicure, killing my enemies, and not expecting sex in return sounds like Heaven. Silly woman! Rhymer Enterprises comfortbots do not make “perfect” martinis. There’s no such thing as a perfect martini. There’s no such thing as a perfect anything, outside of Plato’s cave. RhE comfortbots make _excellent_ martinis. Time wasted in attempting for unattainable perfection is time that could have been spent massaging the client’s feet, mastering a new cupcake recipe, or dangling J.J. Abrams by the ankle from the roof of the Willis Tower until he apologizes. ---
**Author:** ![jayrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jayrey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayrey)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/45 "2014-08-05T21:09:05Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Silly woman! > > Rhymer Enterprises comfortbots do not make “perfect” martinis. There’s no such thing as a perfect martini. There’s no such thing as a perfect anything, outside of Plato’s cave. RhE comfortbots make _excellent_ martinis. Time wasted in attempting for unattainable perfection is time that could have been spent massaging the client’s feet, mastering a new cupcake recipe, or dangling J.J. Abrams by the ankle from the roof of the Willis Tower until he apologizes. I stand corrected. And, by the way, **Skald** , I love you! You make a girl smile. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/46 "2014-08-05T21:15:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Because there’s no possible bad result to letting people teleport items into your house without your knowing what it is. That is exactly how Wesley Crusher got killed. I’m confused: it starts out like you’re saying bad results could come of an open teleport access, but then you say it led to Wesley Crusher being killed, which is kind of the opposite thing. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/47 "2014-08-05T21:18:58Z")
> [@Quercus](#): > > I’m confused: it starts out like you’re saying bad results could come of an open teleport access, but then you say it led to Wesley Crusher being killed, which is kind of the opposite thing. It wasn’t good from _Wesley’s_ point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/48 "2014-08-05T21:20:50Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > It wasn’t good from _Wesley’s_ point of view. A dead Wesley Crusher has no point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/49 "2014-08-05T21:24:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is it true that when they were choosing up sides for the baseball games, Garak always got picked before Bashir? _Garak_ always said so, and surely he can be trusted, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/50 "2014-08-05T21:34:32Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I’d say God REALLY hated Jack Morrison (David Morse) on _ **St. Elsewhere.** _ > [@astorian](#): > > Hey, at least O’Brien and Andy never got gang raped by convicts! Jack did! It’s close, but I’ll take Mark Green from _ER_ over (under?) Jack Morrison. Fatal brain tumor \>\> wife killed in accident. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/51 "2014-08-05T21:37:50Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > It’s close, but I’ll take Mark Green from _ER_ over (under?) Jack Morrison. Fatal brain tumor \>\> wife killed in accident. Athena wanted Morrison alive so he could suffer. No, I don’t know why. Nor do I care. He had it coming, same as that bitch Arachnae. I can prove it logically. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/52 "2014-08-05T23:27:48Z")
Oh please. Sipowicz and O’Brien led charmed lives compared to Brodie from _Homeland_. Every week was a new, horrible torture for the guy. That guy had a really hot wife, but after that, his life sucks. ---
**Author:** ![pseudograph](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pseudograph/32/19768_2.png) [@pseudograph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudograph)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/53 "2014-08-06T02:23:27Z")
Put me down for “God loved that fat little troll.” If you look at Sipowicz at the beginning of the series vs. the end, his character arc is a pretty big net positive. Sure he got kicked in the balls on a regular basis, but there is no arguing that he was a better person in a better place (bonus for being sans David Caruso) when all was said and done. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/54 "2014-08-06T05:04:33Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > . . . or spending time alone with Julian Bashir . . . If Miles O’Brien were gay, and if his taste in men were the same as mine . . . the high point of his life would be spending time alone with Julian Bashir. And didn’t we see Sipowicz nude once? How the hell did he get all those women? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877/55 "2014-08-06T05:25:18Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Hey, at least O’Brien and Andy never got gang raped by convicts! Jack did! No wonder he was such a prick after House left him in the exam room with the thermometer stuck up his ass! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whom-does-god-hate-more-miles-obrien-of-star-trek-deep-space-nine-or-andy-sipowicz-of-nypd-blue/694877.md?page=2)